[Jack]

Not entirely sure where the 250 to 500mcg dose ranges people are stating actually come from? There’s no human data on this at all, so every number in here is guessed off the mouse work. Scale that properly (surface area, not bodyweight) and you’re in the tens-to-low-hundreds of mg not mcg, which is where the 50mg tablets come from. The mcg number isn’t pharmacology, it’s 332 getting sold next to peptides when it isn’t one.

Personally I noticed nothing from 250-500mcg and started to notice improved fasted cardio performance and lower heart rate with a singular change of dosage from 500mcg to 5mg. I know a few people running upwards of 10mg daily with similar results.

I dread to think how id feel of 5mg lol![/quote]

You’d likely feel nothing… the sweating and other things you mention are either placebo or something else you are using or something else in the capsule as this isn’t how slu works… its not a stimulant.. it remodels how you body burns fuel over a period of weeks.

[Jack]

Not entirely sure where the 250 to 500mcg dose ranges people are stating actually come from? There’s no human data on this at all, so every number in here is guessed off the mouse work. Scale that properly (surface area, not bodyweight) and you’re in the tens-to-low-hundreds of mg not mcg, which is where the 50mg tablets come from. The mcg number isn’t pharmacology, it’s 332 getting sold next to peptides when it isn’t one.

Personally I noticed nothing from 250-500mcg and started to notice improved fasted cardio performance and lower heart rate with a singular change of dosage from 500mcg to 5mg. I know a few people running upwards of 10mg daily with similar results.

[Jack]

I know you hate filming… are we possibly going to see a video of JP peak weight dragging the stool down the lane whilst walking the dog haha?

[Jack]

Ok so the current health phase looks like this:

Week one started after a full week off (I took 300mg test in that time)

Week 1-2:
100mg testo prop 3x week
30mg tamoxifen day
25mg proviron day
12.5mcg t3
50mcg t4
2iu gh day
80mg telmisartan

Then week 3 (below) will begin on the coming Monday. With weeks 4/5 being a bit diff again that I’ll post about at the end of week 3:

Week 3:
50mg testo prop 3xweek
2000iu hcg every other day
30mg tamoxifen day
12.5mcg t3 EOD
50mcg t4 EOD
2iu gh day
80mg telmisartan

600mg NAC 3xday

200mg silimarin 3xday

5x1g vitC/day

2x400iu vitE/day

2x100mg CoQ10/day

3x400mg rALA/day

Hello mate, curious around the HCG and why you are using it?

[Jack]

Jack no I cba with anything like that again. I honestly I’m at the very end of my tolerance for most things in this industry now sadly 😂 . I just look around and think, fuck is going on lol

I re watched the video and tbf you can tell by your face during the appointment that you were already thinking ‘this is a load of shit’ 😂

I can see reading your q&a’s on insta how you have ended up at that point 😂 entertaining tho

[Jack]

Hello mate,

Random one – did you ever get another dexa scan done after the one in 2016, remember that guy laughing saying you wouldn’t increase your muscle mass reading, and you being like ‘no… i will trust me’

Would love to have seen a follow up with the same bloke lol

[Jack]

Update on this for those interested… the client failed to tell me he was using propranalol (beta blocker) which for whatever reason blocks the side effects from clen, unsure as to whether it blocks the action or not tho.

interesting indeed – did they seem to notice any enhanced fat loss from it then over time?[/quote]

He stopped using it for a while as he assumed it was bunk.. but it will report back once its been in again for a while.

[Jack]

Hi Sas I’d left a question on JPs log about stomach issues using a cpap I feel like I have a lot of trapped air and he mentioned you’d had experience with this ?? Any feedback would be great cheers

Don’t mean to hijack but one of my pals had this exact issue… the pressure was set too high, try reducing the pressure, if its a resmed 10 just hold down the wheel button and the home button and it will open up the controls settings section where you can adjust everything.

If its set to auto ramp pressure then as Sas says, it will just ramp more pressure if you have a leak, although usually the machine will tell you if it detects a major one.

[Jack]

Update on this for those interested… the client failed to tell me he was using propranalol (beta blocker) which for whatever reason blocks the side effects from clen, unsure as to whether it blocks the action or not tho.

[Jack]

Some people don’t have effects even with same batch, even with high dosage, even not the same benefits.
I know a girl who raised it to 80mcg per day (not cheating her diet I will cut my hand on this) and she don’t feel nothing, she does not loose even a 0.200gr
Blood work has been done; her cortisol exploded.
I think you should ask your client to do a complete blood work, cause something is probably acting as a “wall” to the clen
Unfortunately I do believe that it does nothing to some people without any reason
Otherwise everyone would have been using the exact same amount of peds, but that’s not the case.
Some people are sensitive, some others aren’t
Some people got very intense sides and some others nothing
Clen on me is day one shaking, day two shaking, head and hands
Day three nothing anymore
If we raise the dose, day one shaking, day two also and third nothing

I will suggest some blood work.

As you mentioned it is similar for most people with the sides, I have just not encountered it before.

Thanks for the advice.

[Jack]

Yes we are tracking that daily and it has not changed at all.

Maybe a bad box then if that’s not changed and had no sides at all, just cause it’s same labs doesn’t mean it’s been the same batch made[/quote]

Yeah the guys work at the same place so I literally took one out of the tub he is using and 20 mins later, got the shakes etc. It just doesn’t have that effect on him.

[Jack]

My only thought now is, are the side effects we all experience a by product of the process we want for fat loss / increased calorie expenditure or separate to that. Is he still going to be benefiting from using it in the absence of side effects.

With any drug on the planet there are some people that either won’t get the normal side effects or won’t see them until they reach a certain dose.

for example I have a very good friend than never ever seems to get hang overs yet he defo still gets pissed lol

I do still imagine they will still get the fat loss benefits – However it is impossible for myself to say.

Did they notice a sharp decrease in the scale from the usual diuretic effect out of interest?[/quote]

No sharp decrease at all.

[Jack]

My only thought now is, are the side effects we all experience a by product of the process we want for fat loss / increased calorie expenditure or separate to that. Is he still going to be benefiting from using it in the absence of side effects.

[Jack]

I’ve come across a handful of people in the last 15 years that simply don’t get the sides the rest of us.

I’ve checked to the point I’ve used there tub n I’ve been sat shaking while they have nothing

I’ve used the same batch and like Jordan said above… 20mcg and I feel it. This guy is running 80mcg now with not the slightest of feeling or side.

[Jack]

Yes we are tracking that daily and it has not changed at all.