[jack]

Have they given you a definite diagnosis now? If so then they should be referring you to a physio to put a plan in place and if they haven’t diagnosed it they should be digging further to find out what it is

They honestly can’t pinpoint it. I have pain In My capsule, bicep tendon and subacromial space but can’t figure out which one is the limiting one. I’ve had my steroid injections now, so week off upper body then we will progress slowly again.

[jack]

Hi mate,

A few observations/questions.

I’m not sure why you’ve put a 2s peak contraction in?

Do you mean you’re icing an injured shoulder post workout, or the muscle trained? If it’s the latter, I definitely wouldn’t do that if hypertrophy is your objective.

Week two has six sessions on the bounce. If you’re training hard, that’s almost certainly not enough recovery.

How long should you run the sessions for? As long as you can consistently progress.

Hi rich,

Sorry I wasn’t very clear typing this on my phone. The 2 second hold was planned for chest, as it helps with my mind muscle connection and to help fatigue the muscle more as ill be lifting lighter due to shoulder rehab after my injections.

Yes just icing the shoulder after each session.

Week one has 6 sessions, week two 3 sessions. Each sessions is about 90 mins plus core work. I definitely would not consider myself training hard and intense due to injuries. I am training each exercise to 8-9/10 RPE, Doms lasting 2-3 days max and progressing on lifts either in reps or weights each week. the 72 hours is more based on hoping my tendons would have had time to recover, previously I was hitting shoulders between chest workouts with only 48 hours recovery max (maybe why my shoulder won’t heal).

[jack]

Hi mate

I’d go and see a good sports therapist and get an informed opinion

In the immediacy, I’d avoid anything that aggravates it. I imagine some pulling movements are more comfortable than others depending on your grip orientation. It might also be that the implementation of straps or figure 8 loops allow you to take some of the tension away from the forearm/bicep

Similarly, different iterations of curls will likely have varying levels of impact on the area, so again, be mindful to select options that don’t irritate it

Let us know how you get on with the therapist mate

I haven't been to a sports therapist yet. But there are things that have helped so far. Eg long warm-up with forearm rotation. I hold my wrist rigidly and do not bend during exercise.

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Hi mate, how has the rehab gone? I’ve had the same issue. Still in the rehab process but it’s getting better!

[jack]

Thanks for the replys. It’s not really any particular movements, it’s more the weight I use. I have a limit I can get to and eventually it goes again and I can’t press for at least 2 weeks then I build it back up again. Happens 1-2 times a year. I have noticed when I do a movement that causes it to pop and click then it is agitating it. I need to come up with a plan for adequate recovery, deload timing, icing etc any suggestions?

I do have 4 steroid injections booked next week; so will be taking it easy and rehabbing slowly

[jack]

Hi mate

We want to achieve low bar velocity, but we want to do that through maximal effort. This is what happens in the last 3-5 reps of a set when working to concentric failure. It’s the reps that recruit the high threshold motor units that we want engaged to maximise hypertrophy.

Move if a load intentionally slowly is not the same thing.

Yes, operate with an element of control through your eccentric phase, and your transition to the concentric phase, but elongating disproportionately is not advantageous, and is indeed the opposite when looking for an optimal stimulus.

If you are struggling with a movement, do a different movement that doesn’t cause discomfort.

If your body is badly battered and there is no alternative, of course it is a better solution to slow reps down than to smash your body up further.

Hope that helps.

Hi rich, just seen your vid on your shoulder injury. Sorry to hear you had issues with yours too! Powerlifting is what caused mine as well! What type of movements have you found to be best without aggravating the injury? Are you still able to push yourself to the point of failure and adopt progressive overload without it flaring up?

[jack]

Hi mate

We want to achieve low bar velocity, but we want to do that through maximal effort. This is what happens in the last 3-5 reps of a set when working to concentric failure. It’s the reps that recruit the high threshold motor units that we want engaged to maximise hypertrophy.

Move if a load intentionally slowly is not the same thing.

Yes, operate with an element of control through your eccentric phase, and your transition to the concentric phase, but elongating disproportionately is not advantageous, and is indeed the opposite when looking for an optimal stimulus.

If you are struggling with a movement, do a different movement that doesn’t cause discomfort.

If your body is badly battered and there is no alternative, of course it is a better solution to slow reps down than to smash your body up further.

Hope that helps.

Thanks rich!

Barbell and dumbbells seem to make it worse, smith machine seems fine!

Let’s say I do 100kg incline, controlled but faster at the beginning and as you say slow due to maximal effort on the last few reps.

I do the same with lighter weight but slower at the start through to the end but with maximal effort effort the same as with heavier weights.

Is this still suboptimal in terms of muscle growth?

Have you ever had any experience with shoulder pain you successfully rehabbed?

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Have you had a professional look at your shoulder Jack ? Maybe that’s a start and you can then find the root cause of your discomfort. That way you can work out movements that aggravate your shoulder and eliminate them . [/quote]
Hi Oscar, I have a small labrum tear, capsule tear and bicep tendonosis in both shoulders, the bicep is the one that causes pain, the others the doc seems to think is what allot of weight lifters shoulders would look like under MRI. I’ve cut out all movements that deffo aggravate it. This was all caused by benching when I was powerlifting at Loughborough.

The last 6 years every time my strength gets to a certain place it goes again. I know my limits but when I get there, im stuck, as soon as I push heavier it goes! Hence why I asked if people still
Think I can gain muscle using lighter weights, trying my best to work with it now. Having to take two weeks off and start from Scratch every few months is very far from ideal ?

I am trying to reduce volume and incorporate a deload every 5th week and I have a bicep and subacromial steroid injection soon. Worried about a rupture so will have to keep the weights and volume to a minimum down.

[jack]

Hi mate

We want to achieve low bar velocity, but we want to do that through maximal effort. This is what happens in the last 3-5 reps of a set when working to concentric failure. It’s the reps that recruit the high threshold motor units that we want engaged to maximise hypertrophy.

Move if a load intentionally slowly is not the same thing.

Yes, operate with an element of control through your eccentric phase, and your transition to the concentric phase, but elongating disproportionately is not advantageous, and is indeed the opposite when looking for an optimal stimulus.

If you are struggling with a movement, do a different movement that doesn’t cause discomfort.

If your body is badly battered and there is no alternative, of course it is a better solution to slow reps down than to smash your body up further.

Hope that helps.

Thanks rich!
Barbell and dumbbells seem to make it worse, smith machine seems fine!

Let’s say I do 100kg incline, controlled but faster at the beginning and as you say slow due to maximal effort on the last few reps.

I do the same with lighter weight but slower at the start through to the end but with maximal effort effort the same as with heavier weights.

Is this still suboptimal in terms of muscle growth?

Have you ever had any experience with shoulder pain you successfully rehabbed?

[jack]

Thanks guys. I am gunna up calories 200 or so and try out turksterone for the next 4 months, see where I can get to.

I agree performance is the main thing that should be improving

[jack]

Should also note since using HGH, tb500 and Bpc157 my kidney function has improved dramatically Egfr gone from 58 to 78

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Hi mate, so nothing changed what so ever other than peptides. I ran bpc-157 solo for 8 weeks months ago and my egfr went from 58 to 70 and it’s been around 58-62 for years! Now I’ve been on it again with tb500 and hgh and it’s gone from 70-78. Nothing else to put it down too. I’ve seen some research saying it has the potential to un-do some organ damage

[jack]

Should also note since using HGH, tb500 and Bpc157 my kidney function has improved dramatically Egfr gone from 58 to 78

[jack]

TRT will cause it all by itself. How high are you ? I give blood 3 times a year and it keep its all nicely in range.

Yeah mate I know what my Hb is on TRT and it’s always stable around 172-173 but since HGH it’s jumped up to 179

[jack]

Im using older SIS NPP batches as well as the newer pharmaqoo batches and ive never had any bad experiences with it. Instead id rate them very high and they do make great, reliable stuff. Never had pip with their 100mg npp.

I’ve been using 0.5 inch 30g needle so injecting shallow IM/ subq! Could that be a reason? The pip was bad! Considering I inject trt 3x a week with no pain the PIP unexpected

[jack]

No not normal m8, what brand you using

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Sis I’ve since heard bad things though and they rebranded to pharmaqo

[jack]

Have u watched my videos on these peptides.
I have used with myself n clients for many issues with good results.
Unfortunately they never helped my shoulder issue like other issues.
The shoulder joint unfortunately is more complex n has a cascade of mechanisms that cause pain issues.
Lots n lots of therapy is all that helped mine n it’s still only 50% reduced pain n ive had 20
Plus sessions.
I’d run the peptides for 8-12 weeks n if no luck consider therapy as treatment

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I will watch the video hilly. Where do you get your peptides from if you don’t mind me asking?

What type of therapy? Physical therapy? Have you tried prp injections?

I guess you’re avoiding surgery?

Do you manage to train around it ok? I’ve lost so much mass becauseI can not train chest or shoulders for the life of me without shoulder pain

Appreciate the response billy.

[jack]

Has anyone successfully used tb500/bpc157 for rotator cuff injuries and want to share?
Dosages, length of time they used it for and most importantly where they got it from? I use uk-peptides but unsure. They say they are cheap becsuse they buy in such big bulks and sent me a lab sheet.

I have been on 750mcg tb500 and 350mcg bpc157 for 3 weeks now m-f so 3.75mg tb500 and 1.75mg bpc157 a week.

Injected straight into the delt (close to the rotator cuff I have injured). So far maybe slightly better (also on 3iu hgh for 3 weeks)