[ZR]

Morning guys. So we’re into the last 9 weeks of off-season now, bodyweight creeping back up after the break and sitting at 257lbs. No real changes here, we’re just letting the body get back where it was before the 5 days drop in calories.

Rest today, then another big week to box off ahead!

Can you give an update on current nutrition and cycle?

[ZR]

Excellent leg day

268 holding

4 sets curl single leg

1 45 hyper

2 extension

2 leg press

2 calf

1 bicep

Rest day usual business, productive days ticked off and as always just cracking on

Overall feeling great, made some slight cycle tweaks

1400 test 1100 primo 400 mast is my peak this time

Dropped mast for eq, week with mast removed sleep improved and joints feel less cranky, mast dries me out a lot, can see it in the look as I wake super hard still, im lean still so I don’t mind dropping mast out now, whats interesting is my HR also dropped

Not a fan of eq with guys who struggle with BP or higher RBC count, I haven’t used it in years and currently have to with some guys especially in USA and getting a lot of success over usual mast using higher test with lower eq.

Beauty of this game we get to run some experiments and see

Feeling better that quickly along with the HR drop is very interesting. I would expect maybe with mast p but I am assuming that’s e?

Did you swap same dose for eq?

Super interesting as you would assume that would be estrogen related but given mast MOA and eq being very strong at actually lowering the e2 but feeling better? You baked it with the work experiment. Would be curious what you think is/will be happening here

[ZR]

Sunday – Rest day and update.

5 weeks into this diet run while cruising and playing around with the Mots C and reta.

Total assistance used.

Test -240mg. – puts me at a test level of 45

GH -5iu pre bed

Mots C -1mg on wake –

Reta – 3 weeks at 250mcg x 3 – 1 week at 250mcg x 4 (1mg) and then last week at 250mcg x 5 (1.25mg)

SLU PP – 600mcg on wake.

5iu fast slin pre workout.

Weight has dropped from a post xmas/ski holiday of 222-223lb to 209-210lb –

No direct cardio – just walking the dog etc and steps between 12-14k

Food has been on the lower side – 150g carbs daily – additional 100g carb powder TBJP performance fuel around training

Protein – 280g

fats. – circa 30-40g.

Training 4 days per week.

pretty happy with visual changes and I am going to keep pushing this another 5-6 weeks into a trip away I have and see just how lean I can get before I then reverse into growing.

I am very very impressed with the mots C – energy and focus is just superb with it in all day, I wake and have CV burn plus the peptides and then no addition stims/coffee etc all day and I feel just as focused and energised at 6-7pm as I do at 6-7am.

Reta – Still not sure here, I know my dose is low but im not finding any reduction in actual hunger. I still get the same hunger pangs etc in the morning and can eat just find. In general I dont honestly have cravings so im not really going to notice much here.

I do feel last week I was a touch more bloated at times than I would normally be as the dose went up. This week I intend to go to 1.5mg and see how I feel there. U doubt I will go much higher.

Overall tho I am getting nice and lean comfortably here with none of the usual clen/t4 etc in so this in reality is a much healthier way of dieting and getting lean lean that running clen etc. Dont get me wrong clen IMO isnt really a unhealthy drug per say overall but it is causing heart rate to increase and putting some strain on the body were as these peptides are having none of that effect.

Blood work will be done at week 8 of this to see if there is much different here in comparison to previous bloods and then when I move to cycle I will keep these in at lower doses to asses if any improvements in blood work hold as I move to cycle.

From here I intend to then bring in SS 31 and NAD and see what these bring

Finally nice to see a well conducted experiment with some more controlled variables. The whole internet is just throwing these all in at once saying they’re amazing and then have no tangible evidence to back any of it up or differentiate the benefits. Very keen to see any bloodwork improvement that you can differentiate from previous bloods even with the weight loss here which will see improvements. Thanks for your patience and sharing your results!

[ZR]

If something allows for harder training , you will grow more . Simple as that

Mots c/ ss31 / 5 amino and slu before training let me train stupidly fucking hard , harder than ever before – I can do more volume and progress every set and recover every session. That , means more growth . Don’t let stupid fucking nerds start waffling on about science . I know when I will grow more as I have been able to do sessions I can’t normally do , so even if there is some small interference , I am now able to do things never done before = more growth

Same for klow , my joints have never ever felt this good = more growth

I never ever ever ever ever let skinny little wankers talking science ever bother me if I can feel in a session I’m progressing at a serious rate

These little cunts desperately need content to talk about , so they just waffle on about fucking bollocks that if they actually trained hard they would know is complete shit . You will NEVER see someone doing mad legit stuff , using it for recovery , then say , oooo it’s interfering with progress . They will fucking laugh at you

Love this… common sense. Gram of practice > Ton of theory as Milos likes to say.

[ZR]

Rest day today for me

Full morning of work before dog walk and then headed to the butchers to get some chicken

Check in feedback this week was more food and increase in primo by 200mg

Current cycle

1.6g test e per week

700 mg primo per week

8iu gh pre bed

Peptides along side

Reta still 2.5mg?

[ZR]

I hope everyone had a superb Christmas 🙂

No training Thurs/Friday – I had planned to train today before we travel to Manchester but Arilena Mum needs me to get Arilena early today instead of 4pm which means no training but that is life.

We travel to Manchester today and then fly out skiing to Bulgaria 2moro until NYD so there will likely be no training and just family time.

Once I am home NYD and back into work I am designing a full 12 week recomp/diet phase using some peptides while I cruise. I turn 40 middle of march and hill be going to Dubai so I want to be in wicked shape for this and then reverse out and will grow for the rest of the year.

The last 2 months have been probably my worsed in terms of training and eating adherence in my entire life but with moving house and prioritising time with Arilena I am ok with this.

However this will change from January the 1st and I intend to get back to were I usually am and what makes me happy. I am now set up in new house, life is all balanced and things are good. So its time to start making real progress again.

Excited to follow this next phase 👍

[ZR]

246 today so slightly up.

Today- test . Eq and GH went UP.

I’m also adding Lantus in at 10iu fasted since gh has double.

I have a blood glucose monitor but it keeps showing error so maybe my test strips are too old… I’ll order some tonight

But I’ll adjust Lantus according to fasted BG levels

No t3. I have PROFORMA’s GC-1 in instead.50mcg. This minims what t3 does but also reduces fatty liver aid bad cholesterol.

This one is MUST for us guys. Look it up.

This will allow us to not use t3 or Clen again. Or at least lower their dosages if you use these. I barely use t3 and never use Clen but I’m happy to use GC as I just don’t think it’ll have any bad effects

Food wise I won’t change a thing. I think the test eq and gh will let me gain at least a good 10 lbs from here on this food.

Tonight I’m having a cheat. Burger and fries with Leanne as it’s my 40th. I don’t really crave it but I want to relax with her and we enjoy a nice takeaway. This place does very nice Burgers , quite lean so it won’t even be bad

So this meal itself will boost things for me as i am so sensitive right now

Today was back day . Was gonna rest but I want Sunday off instead for a family email with her and my parents as it’s Leanne’s bday too on Monday. Both 40. When did this come round hahaha

Back and abs

Rope crunches 5 x8-15

Neutral grip pull ups 2 x 8-10

Seated machine low row 2 x 6-10

Wide grip pull downs 2 x 8-12

Seated cable row 2 x 8-10

Db row 2 x 6-10

Back hyper extension machine 2 x 10-15

For clarity Sas, are you saying the doses went up already compared to the numbers you posted prior?

[ZR]

240 today. Up 3 lbs from stage weight. Still quite dry but fulness is coming back.

Got bloods done yesterday and if they come back ok, I’m jumping start into a cycle. I’m not wasting time if I don’t need to back track

I’m near retirement now, and I have maybe this one off season to really pack it on. I WANT to be on the O stage next year.

Risky ? Maybe. Not really if bloods are good. And considering I had 6 years off up till 2024, I’m not worried

The risk is worth the reward for me now. I’m an Olympian and I’m earning decently from this life, so I’m gonna push the boundaries without regrets

Did chest today. And a tricep pump

Still pondering my split. Shoulder day doesn’t always feel good, so I’m thinking of the below split

Day 1- back , rear delts , traps, abs

Day 2- chest , side delts , calves

Day 3- legs

Day 4- arms

Rest / repeat

This way frequency goes up slightly. And it makes more sense since my delts don’t need a full day, they are a strong part, where as my arms need attention.

So yesterday was back.

Chest today

Tomorrow is legs or rest

Rest day wise – Sunday will be a fixed rest day so I can plan stuff with my family.

Then mid week I’ll take a rest day too. As and when I get really need it

Appreciate the honesty and transparency here Sas, definite makes sense with your potential here. Excited to follow this next phase of growth

[ZR]

Why did I lower the ghkcu?

Because I originally had 100mg standalone bottles

I now have klow which is 50mg . If your taking all 4 of the peptides , can get away with a bit lower , unless skin tightness is your specific goal then use 2000 ish

Asking from across the pond, as nobody does things as thoroughly as yourself. Have you done any testing of the mixed products that include GHkCU? I know testing of these lyophilized can shown positive and all purebut there is some strong arguments that GHKCU should not be mixed in with any other of these peptides in a solution.

[ZR]

Check in day for me today with Joe

Only change made is increasing the test by 300mg this week again

Idea is to drive test higher as estrogen isn’t sitting high from ratios off bloodwork

Maintain current weight with current food set up

Trainer after 2 meals as usual , very good leg session felt strong

Tomorrow rest

Hey Nathaniel, apologies if I’m not up to speed here, but is this a very different approach for you? I thought you wjrh Joe was always relatively much higher masteron and relatively low test dosages. What are the doses and ratio are you currently running at? Was there a factor that changed this? Apologize if I missed some in the log.

[ZR]

Lower today off the back of bad news yesterday. Cardio and steps done.
I got abit carried with leg extensions and my knee told me don’t be fucking stupid
bicep/tricep superset x 3
Prime lying ham curl x 2
Belt squat RDL x 2
Glute drive x 2
Leg extension x 2
Hip press x 2
I have noticed a nice bump in mental clarity and also sleep since starting the Mito stack. even with the 0.5mg of Reta Im eating my food with ease. I was actually hungry for my meals today, just satisfied after each meal….
Just to go over waht im currently doing until the klow blend comes in to stock
SS31 – 500mcg AM
5 amino 1 MQ – 2mg AM fasted
SLU-PP 332 500mcg AM mix of IM and oral
SLU-PP 33 250mcg preWO
MOTS-C 1mg preWO
Reta 0.5mg daily PM
Methylyne blue 10g preWO
GH 8iu daily 4iu when i wake for a piss 4iu pre WO

Does that GH pre workout not bring on any lethargy? Also, is this taken IM?

[ZR]

Look is definitely sharp. Would you mind expanding on what you meant above as unorthodox? How was the cycle shifted? I see notes of the compound additions just curious what you’re feeling/seeing and how they shifted. Thanks for your time!

[ZR]

Would you mind sharing how much you pulled food down during this mini cut? I see you mentioned pulling drugs back to cruise but didn’t note any diet change or output. Would be curious to those changes during these periods as the composition looks solid.

[ZR]

Check in day for me today

Slight change to cruise dose so have moved test down to 200mg per week and mast to 300mh per week and gh down to 5iu

Morning of

Client work before pre gym coffee and a reduced volume leg session

Knees are sore lately so will add some Bpc in as helped before

Tomorrow will rest

What signs prompted this flip in the dosages of the compounds for cruise after only a week?

[ZR]

Hi Jordan, are you using oral or injectable Slu?

Literally says they are injectable in the post your asking about my man.