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Cycle for next 8 weeks

600 test

300 EQ

600 Mast

Pre gym – 4 weeks test Susp

4 weeks oxy

Gh – none currently as I’m coming to the conclusion there may be a link between this use and some ED issues I was experiencing so am currently trying to figure if this is the case

Hey man, followed for a long time
So I know you’re a fan of mast and test always together. So I understand the eq managing the e2 and the addition of mast. Is mast just pushing the total mg up?

Curious this setup versus say 300mg mast with an extra 200 test 100eq for example.

Interesting note on the GH and the ED, be curious to hear more ont his.

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Evening guys! Just got back from shooting at the PCA Manchester with a client. Rest day so no training…but, the off-season plan landed in my inbox last night so I am fully ready for lift off. Looking forward to getting my teeth stuck into this now! Details below…

Nutrition

TD: 4500 cals (350 P / 600 C / 75 F)

RD: 4100 cals (350 P / 500 C / 80 F)

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Cycle

600mg Test E

750mg Primo

150mg NPP

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100mg T4

6iu GH

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25mg Proviron

40mg Telmisartan

500mg Metformin

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Cardio x 2 per week on rest days @ 30 mins.

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Not far off what I’ve been doing myself in terms of nutrition, excited to share the journey with you all!

Excited to follow this man, had a couple questions!

With these macros is that counting everything or just the main food macronutrients? Not sure what Cals approach is.

What’s current bodyweight at?

You manage to avoid AI use on those current dosages?

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Wednesday 9/4/24

No cardio.

Fasted bloodwork this morning just for my own curiosity to see what things look like in the depth of prep following 3 shows leading into another one.

Delt + Arm pump

Standing lateral machine x2

Cable rear delt fly x2

Seated machine press x1

Tricep overhead extension x2

Tricep press down x2

Seated single arm preacher curl x1

DB hammer curl x1

Hope everything looks good!

What is your method of cardio? Is it always the same and time/intensity are the only changing variable?

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Rest day today for me

Decided to change plans under a new coach so back into prep I am heading

Cardio is back in and excited for this change up considering haven’t done cardio in about 3 years

I’m sure more expansion will come on this in the next updates but very curious to hear about your mindset to make this shift and what the new plan looks like!

No cardio in 3 years is wild 😅

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so potentially you could presume he may feel good and perform good around 50 for E2

How was the mix of primo and mast. – 50/50

For me I would just use the first fat loss phase as a testing phase to workout the exact ratio he needs and were he feels best in terms of E2 read as you dont need alot of drugs to maintain muscle.

so maybe 400mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast

Run this for 5 weeks with proviron at 25mg daily.

get bloods done – asses how we feels and how things are working – then make a change if needed or log info that this is were you need his E2 to be.

I would use clen for sure – 40-120mcg if needed and want to get fat off ASAP – I would not use tren as it will skew bloods and the work you are trying to do

Hey there @Hilly, thanks for taking the time to give a response here. This makes a lot of sense.

Have drugs elevated just enough for the fat loss phase but not overdoing it and see where the estrogen lands.

I didn’t have concern of the tren skewing estrogen as we have sensitive tests here but what it could skew is the well being/ sex drive metric that we’re hoping to improve here so excellent point.

I’m of the opinion of ripping the fat off as fast possible during this to not waste time on the push up. So I think I will look to utilize clen there. If you have any other suggestions on this approach feel free to share. Your experience is very much appreciated here!

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Epic bud

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Cheers mate

Right so current macros

P:250g

C:700g

F:70g

Current cycle

Test 700mg

Mast e 350mg

Primo 350mg

20mg tamoxifen

150mcg t4

37.5 t3

25mg Proviron

80mg telmatarsan

500mg metformin

10iu gh split am pm

10iu nova rapid split 5 pre 5 post

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Are you trying to get away with higher test ratio than past here? Is that the reason nolva is in here as a “precaution”?

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Epic pull session, visually I am changing a lot so that’s pretty pleasing staying patient is really paying off, letting my bodyweight come up slowly and focusing on training is key

I feel absolutely epic, starving but that’s the enjoyable bit as I know this is where all the progress comes! I want to extend this as long as possible as this way not only you can grow longer but health markers are way better

Loved the new YouTube video and always impressive to see the bloodwork. Glad you guys share this stuff. Could you share an updated protocol for your JP supps, and maybe any additional? I know you use the whole range but for example in that video you mentioned using a higher dose of the omega, do you do that for any other products? Do you use the 4caps of love heart? ETC. would be very curious to hear my man. Looking forward to seeing this next push up!

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Hey mate, I would def go to see a specialist

Only problem is to find which one as it could be several diff things, nerves, virus or something else

Yup, that’s the problem 🙂

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ZR,

Where are things now mate?

Did you take a deload? Have things reset?

Hey man, I very much appreciate the follow up. I still am dealing with the excruciating headache and the midsection bloating.

I haven’t been to the gym in a week, nor done cardio because I simply couldn’t if I wanted to. So yes deloading, but also no other option.

I went and got bloodwork and the only thing out of the norm was low absolute lymphocytes. So perhaps that points to some sort of infection or just coincidence.

That said, I think that maybe could be the bloating. But I had the first relief of the headache for about an hour last night and noticed my neck felt looser. So I’m thinking this headache maybe coming from muscular tension in my neck? I mean also did occur post doing heavy RDLs so that could make sense?

I’m honestly starting to struggle, the headache is relentless. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions with this new information that’d be great.

I’m going to fast today, to see if that helps the stomach. I have been eating lower but wanted to make sure I was getting in fruits n veggies but am giving this a try today.[/quote]

Maybe you’re fighting a virus too if white blood cells are low. If you’re feeling no better after a de-load, then it sounds like something more is going on or the impact from training is more serious. What other blood tests did you get done?

Have you been to see a Doctor? If not, this would be my next step.

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Full blood panel, nothing else noteworthy. Everything normal.

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ZR,

Where are things now mate?

Did you take a deload? Have things reset?

Hey man, I very much appreciate the follow up. I still am dealing with the excruciating headache and the midsection bloating.

I haven’t been to the gym in a week, nor done cardio because I simply couldn’t if I wanted to. So yes deloading, but also no other option.

I went and got bloodwork and the only thing out of the norm was low absolute lymphocytes. So perhaps that points to some sort of infection or just coincidence.

That said, I think that maybe could be the bloating. But I had the first relief of the headache for about an hour last night and noticed my neck felt looser. So I’m thinking this headache maybe coming from muscular tension in my neck? I mean also did occur post doing heavy RDLs so that could make sense?

I’m honestly starting to struggle, the headache is relentless. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions with this new information that’d be great.

I’m going to fast today, to see if that helps the stomach. I have been eating lower but wanted to make sure I was getting in fruits n veggies but am giving this a try today.

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This sounds like chronic CNS fatigue. I would take some days off training to rest your body. Eat, hydrate well and get plenty of sleep. Moving forward, take a look through your training plan to ensure your volume, exercise selection and frequency matches your recovery capabilities.

I thought that due to some of the symptoms as well but there shouldn’t be any issues with the general plan. Also the rapidity of the onset was the main thing. I feel like if this was chronic I would have felt/seen it in my my feedback/biometrics over time vs instantly after training.

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To be honest, if my heart rate would be 80 during the night I would get myself checked at the doctor. That is not normal.

Ya, I was definitely considering that honestly it made me nervous. It did drop back last night to 70, so still not great but improved thankfully. Still have the headache today along with the higher pulse. BP is okay I checked that. My headache almost feels like those tension headaches so i am thinking that could be possible when straining for the RDL

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Why you use ketotifen?

311.8lbs this AM maybe a little inflamed from legs Friday as they felt trashed but I defo feel tighter. But not had many bowel movements over the last couple of days which tells me prep is well underway.

Few changes in place today

Cardio to 25 mins

Anavar added at 50mg pre workout

Ketotifen added 1mg PM

Swapped beef for prawns and coconut oil for digestion more than anything.

And on we push again! 🎯

Today has been cardio and nice dog walk down the canal with pheebs. Then a house appointment again to get things closer to being finalised with the sale of our house and purchase of a new one!

A walk into town for a coffee and some browsing.

Then we are going to freinds this evening to watch the England game!

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HOW KETOTIFEN HELPS

Ketotifen is an antihistamine compound. In its original intended use, it’s supposed to help people with allergies. However, it does not one, but three things in the process:

1. Blocks histamine (the substance that is released by the body in response to an allergen, the exact thing that causes those with pollen allergy start itching, crying, and swelling);
2. Reduces the activity of certain immune cells;
3. And increases the sensitivity of beta-2 receptors.

The third part looks exactly like what you need with Clenbuterol, and that’s right: Ketotifene makes your beta-2 receptors more sensitive, so they need less Clenbuterol to trigger the production of cAMP and boost your weight loss.

It’s like increasing the dose in terms of results, but instead — you make the same dose more effective.

CLENBUTEROL AND KETOTIFEN STACK RESULTS

To sum it up, without Ketotifen, your only options to get the effects after 2 weeks are:

• Increase the dose — but get more negative side effects and put more pressure on your body;
• Take breaks — but get less notable results and waste your time

With Ketotifen, you:

• Can effectively use Clenbuterol without raising the dosage;
• Get better results without wasting your time on breaks;
• Get more benefits with less dose-dependent side effects.

if it sounds like a win-win

Consider the extra benefits as well:

• Ketotifen is not the most expensive thing on the market
• Ketotifen reduces Clenbuterol’s side effects, including tremor, headaches, and nausea;
• And finally, Ketotifen normalizes the heart rate that Ketotifen speeds up, so you get less cardiovascular risks.

Clen without ketotifen is one powerful, tried-and-true weight loss booster. However, WITH Ketotifen, Clen also gets significantly more effective and safer at the same time.

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Where is that quoted from?

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You still on a blast nathaniel ?

Yeah still on a blast which haven’t changed since post show , blood work came back clean so will keep running

1.1g test per week

1.9g mast e per week

10iu gh 5 am 5 pm

25mcg t3

150mcg t4

And all the other bits i.e metformin telmatarsan Proviron ect

I know you mentioned your bloods were good. I’m curious if you’re open to sharing any of the details or perhaps how your a1C looks with this GH/no insulin. Obviously food is lower in prep so that helps but was just curious! It seems many are having good bloods deep in prep just do to lower food, bodyweight and higher output.

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Hey Michaela, any chance we can get some nutrition updates in here occasionally?