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This is always the risk with cycles like this and why they baffle me so much as I see this so often.

Personally I would drop the mast down to 300 alongside the primo and bump the test to 600. Potentially 700 for initial 2-3 weeks to get a faster rise in E2

As nath says it makes no sense having E2 low unless there is a very specific reason

Appreciate the feedback and suggestions here Hilly. I’m aware this is a risk with the cycle design but I was surprised to see this estradiol result just based on previous combinations. Primo/mast effect my bloods very differently so doing the combo here in these doses is new territory.

Agree I want this estrogen to get up so changing immediately.

Thanks!

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Post a picture of your entire blood work what is your testosterone reading at ? Are you using anything else

Hey Kuba, my testosterone levels are 2000 as noted above. This is about double our high end of the reference range which I believe is higher than the scale the UK uses but this is where this test level is expected to put me. Also running 6iu GH, 15 Lantus. There’s always difficulties posting the photos, I’ll try again.

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your progesterone will be elevated as a result of your low E2, If your is a growing phase E2 is important for multiple functions, its cardio protective, sex drive, brain function, strength to name a few.

So my advice (depending how much runway you have to push the cycle) Is slightly alter the ratio of test to DHT in the cycle your currently 1:2 so bring it more in line with a 1:1 or somewhere in between and assess from there being mindful of any negative sides you may get. Always run your oestrogen as high as possible without negative side effects. Unless it’s for a cosmetic look close to a show.

Your progesterone will lower and balance out as your oestrogen elevates in my experience

Appreciate this advice and also the note on the relation of estrogen and progesterone. I was unaware of the interaction.

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Congrats on achieving the goals you set out for. Look was awesome!

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Rest – bodyweight maintained perfectly this week. I’m not feeling super fresh but at this point I never will lol

Sushi last night 265.6 so 0.4 drop – I had my usual plus a few pieces of special roll ( bluefin tuna & radish ) was incredible so refreshing!

Woke up hungry and pretty tight!

I do think my test dose probably needs to come down a touch based of how I’m feeling recently, I have been slowly bringing it up and I think max I can do is 500 without ai ( primo / mast modulate androgen to estrogen ratio ) but they do not directly act like an ai. I think a lot of guys and girls forget this.

I will see how I feel this week, if I feel lethargic like I have done this week Il pull it down a bit. We’ll see as I’m actually not holding much water at all. I have never had vascularity in my legs close to 270 and I have right now so I am pleased ( not content or happy lol )

I won’t let my self get much softer than I am now, my prep start point has to be tidy so I will still aim to go up 1 Lb / 1.5 max per week from here.

What are you feeling that is making you think the test is getting to high? I know everyone’s different but I would imagine your DHT load is quite high, I would assume 500 would be handled easily. Please do share some details if your open to what your feeling!

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Hey Kamara, see you’ve noted a decent weight drop there. What’s the current diet looking like/ recent changes?

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Thanks peter, but sorry I don’t speak or understand the English language lol, just read it.

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Also, will cover food 12-16 hours no issue.

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Thanks peter, but sorry I don’t speak or understand the English language lol, just read it.

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Summary from Hilly:

Shuttle/store glucose and relieve stress on pancreas. Better uptake of nutrients. Better recovery, higher IGF potentially.

Don’t worry about fat intake. Not an issue

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Appreciate your thoughts @Hilly So hematocrit range ends at 50 here. On cruise I’m usually 51-53. The highest it’s creeped up to was 6 weeks into that eq cycle approaching 56. I cut it there because if it was going to continue to climb I fee that is dangerous terrirtory. Please let me
Know if you fee otherwise.

I do like the idea of the phased approach. However, i feel like if tren goes in right at the start when your “healthy” you then kind of have to handle that health impact the rest of the run. Also why I wouldn’t favor an oil. How much a low dose tren 100-150 would have on bloods I’m not to sure honestly.

The high test approach is a bit demonized now but like you said I think it’s the crushing of the estrogen with ais which is more so the issue than the ai itself. Only thoughts though.

You’ve given me some things to think about. I just know I need to get away from the high primo just because the jabs are a pain. No pun intended.

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Seems like I can see photos on web, but not app. Hopefully it’s working for others.

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Trying to attach blood photos here…. Appreciate the insight gents

@TrainedbyJP @Hilly @kuba1000@hotmail.co.uk

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What gh are you using ?

It’s a USA brand called globalgen Somatropin. What’s your thoughts on the serum gh levels? Should that have been more elevated?[/quote]
Dude if your IGF is that high, it’s working lol

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Anything different in your day to day life.

Sickness

Flu

Pain meds

Cold meds

Anything else

When you say your normally under 100. Is this on this total dose of drugs n compounds ?

I believe was a couple nights of diphenhydramine before bed, but other than nothing different sticks out. Yes <100 on cruise/blast dosages.

Only changes between bloods I can think of is nattokinase and was trying a new joint supplement. Attached a photo of the label

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Have your blasts been this total mg and these compounds ?

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I’m not sure if a lab error could be the issue if that’s even a thing? That’s the only logical thing here unless my last batch of Telmisartan or metformin is Tylenol

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Anything different in your day to day life.

Sickness

Flu

Pain meds

Cold meds

Anything else

When you say your normally under 100. Is this on this total dose of drugs n compounds ?

I believe was a couple nights of diphenhydramine before bed, but other than nothing different sticks out. Yes <100 on cruise/blast dosages.

Only changes between bloods I can think of is nattokinase and was trying a new joint supplement. Attached a photo of the label

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Have your blasts been this total mg and these compounds ?

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This a new peak mg but not significant. Only 100mg higher. Have used all compounds here