[Jon]

Eval have done some content on the differences / strengths of blood draw over finger prick.

Worth checking out.

Thanks man. Some good info on the eval post.

[Jon]

I agree with you all – I don’t think it’s a substitute for venous for the main testing!
But so far as I see there should be no harm using in between main blood tests for extra snippets of info?
E.g you can check if things are trending as planned?

[Jon]

I prefer to use it no longer than 8-10 weeks

Thanks man. Any thoughts on a run as short as 6 weeks?

[Jon]

I think Jordans explanation makes alot of sense however I do find it strange that there is literally 0 change in test level at all between tests.

However I have also seen several lab results from Rohm and not one has ever been off

Yeah it was the test values being so close to previous results that has thrown me. Seems an odd coincidence.
The Rohm Enan is from the telegram group so I think is gtg (I haven’t had it tested though).
I’ll try increasing the Rohm Enan a bit and retest my bloods in a few weeks time.

[Jon]

At twice a week shots, you would at some point in the week be 47 , which you had in bloods but then the next day and next day it would be maybe 40 and then 35 .

At the 160 daily , you will have 47 everyday

So your total weekly levels will be higher , that’s why you are stronger .

Not odd , it’s exactly what is expected.

If you want peak levels higher , take daily shots higher again 🙂

Ah. So what I thought was trough, wasn’t? I had assumed that doing blood test the morning of the day and injection was due (just before injection) would catch test at its lowest with a new peak just after next shot – is there more of a lag than this?

[Jon]

Ha. Overthinking at its worst!
I suppose I figured there must be a draw back for getting the higher response from a lower dose!

[Jon]

Okay will do.
It seems that there are ‘gurus’ popping up all over the place – I guess they are after their clicks so spout stuff just to get the attention!

[Jon]

So just to update in case others are in similar predicament… I followed Hilly’s advice and swapped to daily dosing, and lowered the dose to 160mg/wk, which is 2x prescribed dose, so seemingly a bit of logic to the number.
Symptoms subsided entirely, and on bloods my oestradiol was only 104pmol/L and prolactin at 285mIU/L, so both in range.
I’m guessing that with the prolactin being towards the upper end of the range it was this that was causing me the bother.
Now progressing nicely with steady weight and strength gains so will stick at this for the next couple of months.
Thanks for the assistance and direction!

[Jon]

I would hold off another 2 weeks – run bloods in 1 week, you may find that E2 has spiked a little but comes down as this does happen with a fair few people.

However if 100mg puts you at 47.6 then 200mg is putting you pretty high and your likely going to find E2 is simply to high and thus you need something to control it.

first port of call move to daily injections and see if this helps.

Secondary option is to add something in to reduce E2 -either Aromasin/Adex or primo depending on what you are trying to achieve and do.

Thanks all. So no knee jerk introduction of nolva. I will swap to daily injections, and reduce the dose slightly to get a round number out of the daily injections. I will have my bloods done next week to see if things settle down a bit.
The goal really was to just give myself a little bump up from the trt, for say 3-4 months before dropping down to prescribed dose for the mandatory blood testing at 6 mon. Then go again after. Probably a bit cliche. Learning as I go so appreciate the help on here.

[Jon]

Not Klow, so minus the kpv, but I’ve started using Glow blend for skin benefits. I wanted to start low and see how I go.

3ml bac water and 0.1ml sq daily = just less than 12mg Ghk-cu and just over 2mg bpc&tb / wk.

With the Klow you’d also have the ~2mg kpv.

Thanks , did you get any stinging at that dose?[/quote]
Nope, no stinging. All good

[Jon]

Thanks guys. Makes sense and in line with what I’d expected to hear.

So I think I will move biceps and triceps isolation, and calves to the back end on the basis that they will get worked on other exercises; and I can do the isolation if time permits.

How does the setup in the attached pic look? Going alternate between heavy upper light lower and visa versa for the ABC.

[Jon]

Not Klow, so minus the kpv, but I’ve started using Glow blend for skin benefits. I wanted to start low and see how I go.
3ml bac water and 0.1ml sq daily = just less than 12mg Ghk-cu and just over 2mg bpc&tb / wk.
With the Klow you’d also have the ~2mg kpv.

[Jon]

Interesting review, thank you for this and defo what I have seen with clients and I fully agree with opinion on dosing etc. It blows my mind seeing some aggressive protocol recommendations going up to 8/9mg per week.

I would be very interested to find out if the improvement in LDL stays once you come off for a period of time so please update us/me if you can. I also still think thats a decent drop – yes you will of wanted more and I would to but 4.38 is still way better than 5.49. Do you take anything else to try and reduce this ? Tried other supplements

Morning. Yeah I suppose the LDL reduction is good directionally – maybe I was expecting too much.
Supps wise I have started taking full tbjp suite (since end Nov) – omega, cure coming, vital supp, love heart, heart care.
I looked into doing separates so I could understand more about what was doing what, but then figured I’d trust what everyone says on here and go all in with them on the basis that the ingredients work together better than sum of the parts?!

[Jon]

Thanks guys. Tagging on to this, Vital Support states to take 4 ‘upon wake’ – This should be first thing so fasted then, right?

[Jon]

 

Thanks Hilly