[Jon]

If all your RBC numbers are fine then it wouldn’t concern me.

Are these recently elevated compared to previous bloods ?

Have you taken testosterone before ?? Or is this first time.

I’m with Meg – I would like at a correction through normal methods first unless it’s causing issues.

Thicker blood

High BP

Feeling off etc

Yeah all other RBC numbers are fine, and no symptoms, no BP increase.

Prior to this have been on prescribed trt for ~8mon.

The iron values are elevated vs bloods before this little bump up in test dose:

Iron – was 19.7 / now 40.7 umol/L (‘goal’ range 10-30)
Transferring saturation – was 38 / now 84 % (‘goal’ range 25-45%)

Otherwise bloods are good, LDL has come down significantly (now the lowest it’s been since I started recording).

[Jon]

An increase in vitamin C will help, what is your dose of that at the minute?

When vit c isn’t high enough iron won’t absorb as well.

Looking into your diet to see what can be optimised including any meals away from usual day-to-day set up, including how tidy you keep yourself as well from a body composition perspective, like not getting too out of shape when you are in your Building phases

Vital support should be a staple for improving blood work & Medication such as telmisartan would be an option to stay on top of haematocrit and haemoglobin – blood dumping doesn’t help long term

Rather than obviously turning to a blood let / dump, prevention is always better with what I’ve added above

Thanks. Agree on trying to prevent rather than treat.
Maybe I’ve misunderstood, but wouldn’t vit c INCREASE iron absorption, so make things worse?
Already taking vital support, love heart, heart care, cure coming, omega pro.

[Jon]

Thanks guys. I’ll report back

[Jon]

Eval have done some content on the differences / strengths of blood draw over finger prick.

Worth checking out.

Thanks man. Some good info on the eval post.

[Jon]

I agree with you all – I don’t think it’s a substitute for venous for the main testing!
But so far as I see there should be no harm using in between main blood tests for extra snippets of info?
E.g you can check if things are trending as planned?

[Jon]

I prefer to use it no longer than 8-10 weeks

Thanks man. Any thoughts on a run as short as 6 weeks?

[Jon]

I think Jordans explanation makes alot of sense however I do find it strange that there is literally 0 change in test level at all between tests.

However I have also seen several lab results from Rohm and not one has ever been off

Yeah it was the test values being so close to previous results that has thrown me. Seems an odd coincidence.
The Rohm Enan is from the telegram group so I think is gtg (I haven’t had it tested though).
I’ll try increasing the Rohm Enan a bit and retest my bloods in a few weeks time.

[Jon]

At twice a week shots, you would at some point in the week be 47 , which you had in bloods but then the next day and next day it would be maybe 40 and then 35 .

At the 160 daily , you will have 47 everyday

So your total weekly levels will be higher , that’s why you are stronger .

Not odd , it’s exactly what is expected.

If you want peak levels higher , take daily shots higher again 🙂

Ah. So what I thought was trough, wasn’t? I had assumed that doing blood test the morning of the day and injection was due (just before injection) would catch test at its lowest with a new peak just after next shot – is there more of a lag than this?

[Jon]

Ha. Overthinking at its worst!
I suppose I figured there must be a draw back for getting the higher response from a lower dose!

[Jon]

Okay will do.
It seems that there are ‘gurus’ popping up all over the place – I guess they are after their clicks so spout stuff just to get the attention!

[Jon]

So just to update in case others are in similar predicament… I followed Hilly’s advice and swapped to daily dosing, and lowered the dose to 160mg/wk, which is 2x prescribed dose, so seemingly a bit of logic to the number.
Symptoms subsided entirely, and on bloods my oestradiol was only 104pmol/L and prolactin at 285mIU/L, so both in range.
I’m guessing that with the prolactin being towards the upper end of the range it was this that was causing me the bother.
Now progressing nicely with steady weight and strength gains so will stick at this for the next couple of months.
Thanks for the assistance and direction!

[Jon]

I would hold off another 2 weeks – run bloods in 1 week, you may find that E2 has spiked a little but comes down as this does happen with a fair few people.

However if 100mg puts you at 47.6 then 200mg is putting you pretty high and your likely going to find E2 is simply to high and thus you need something to control it.

first port of call move to daily injections and see if this helps.

Secondary option is to add something in to reduce E2 -either Aromasin/Adex or primo depending on what you are trying to achieve and do.

Thanks all. So no knee jerk introduction of nolva. I will swap to daily injections, and reduce the dose slightly to get a round number out of the daily injections. I will have my bloods done next week to see if things settle down a bit.
The goal really was to just give myself a little bump up from the trt, for say 3-4 months before dropping down to prescribed dose for the mandatory blood testing at 6 mon. Then go again after. Probably a bit cliche. Learning as I go so appreciate the help on here.

[Jon]

Not Klow, so minus the kpv, but I’ve started using Glow blend for skin benefits. I wanted to start low and see how I go.

3ml bac water and 0.1ml sq daily = just less than 12mg Ghk-cu and just over 2mg bpc&tb / wk.

With the Klow you’d also have the ~2mg kpv.

Thanks , did you get any stinging at that dose?[/quote]
Nope, no stinging. All good

[Jon]

Thanks guys. Makes sense and in line with what I’d expected to hear.

So I think I will move biceps and triceps isolation, and calves to the back end on the basis that they will get worked on other exercises; and I can do the isolation if time permits.

How does the setup in the attached pic look? Going alternate between heavy upper light lower and visa versa for the ABC.

[Jon]

Not Klow, so minus the kpv, but I’ve started using Glow blend for skin benefits. I wanted to start low and see how I go.
3ml bac water and 0.1ml sq daily = just less than 12mg Ghk-cu and just over 2mg bpc&tb / wk.
With the Klow you’d also have the ~2mg kpv.