[Juan]

Very normal, as Kuba said, nandrolone always sees false readings for me , I was running nandrolone only cycle and my test was like 500nmol/l

Would the same thing happen with primo? Let’s say one was using 100 mg test and 300 mg primo, would your testosterone levels be skewed on the blood panel test?

Asking as I have a trt script and do not want to risk losing it when it comes time to go do bloodwork for the endo lol thanks for any help guys!

[Juan]

With 400mg, I would expect my test level to be 3 times that if I’d been on cycle for a while and last jab was 6 days before. What ester were you using?

I would speak to a doctor about the blood thickening. Honestly, I would probably be avoiding cycling at all based on the blood results until health is under control.

What you can do now :

Make sure you are taking in a ton of water each day, avoid supplementing vitamin C , introduce vital support. Make sure your primo isn’t actually EQ. I would also be supplementing Nattokinase here.

Hope this helps

Why avoid supplementing vitamin C?[/quote]

To reduce iron absorption and getting blood even thicker.

[Juan]

We sound just alike. Keep it up man!

You too man 🙂 is all about being better than yesterday and knowing you gave it your all!!!!

[Juan]

I feel just like you! I wish I would have had the right guidance 12 years ago when I started….

I am no Jordan, but some numbers I am proud of are 545 lb deadliftx4, 435 lb squatx4, seated military press 235 lbsx5, RDL 515×6.

All with pretty solid form, pauses and 3-4 second eccentrics 🙂 Of course I feel weak as my goals are pretty big but I work at chipping away at it daily 🙂

[Juan]

My pleasure!

[Juan]

That’s great man because that’s something really important to address! Sleep apnea is a killer and if you do have it and get it fixed it will change your life. So I guess the moral of the story is when it comes to lowering hematocrit you want to avoid giving blood unless your specific case requires you to. You want to aim to address other issues first.

[Juan]

I’m a huge fan of Dante Trudel and he mentions that if it is under .54 just keep an eye on it and use health supplements, address potential sleep apnea and diet to lower it as much as possible like Inositol Hexaphosphate.
You also want to look at other markers like platelets and hemoglobin if thickness is the concern. Lastly, phlebotomy could bite you back as the body has the potential to sense the drop in RBC and can come back with even more when done too frequently. Hope that helps.

[Juan]

I would not be concerned with that minor increase if it was myself 🙂

[Juan]

It doesn’t look bad. Keep in mind that’s an automated tool. So it may not be exactly what you needed but it’s a damn good starting point! So you can start there and adjust as needed based on progress and your specific needs. checking in with yourself is also crucial to see progress:-)

[Juan]

Thanks so much guys I appreciate all this feedback 🙂 really really means a lot.

[Juan]

What about t3 and t4 where those measured?

Unfortunately they were not. It was just routine bloodwork from the dr. I don’t have any symptoms of low thyroid but I would consider myself an endomorph and can put on fat easy if I don’t watch my nutrition.

[Juan]

Juan, I can’t see the photos buddy? What are your numbers?
Brady

AH MAN…. I don’t know why the pic shows up on the computer but not the app 🙁 when I try to attach on the app it malfunctions too.
Estradiol is at 102 pmol/L
And TSH is at .91 mIU/L. Thanks for any help 🙂

[Juan]

I would agree with the nephrologist apart from dropping the protein. They just always say that.

However I am no Doctor ?

Your help here is soooo valuable HIlly. Thanks so much man! Always appreciate your insight!

[Juan]

Juan,

I am a medical student studying to be a physician so take this with a grain of salt. I don’t feel comfortable with this one. Protein in your urine can cause glomerular damage in your kidneys. I’d decrease protein intake to 1g per pound of bodyweight, take a break from gear, and really get it evaluated.

Without being able to see you and see lab work for myself and whatnot, And knowing there’s a family history of it, I only feel comfortable advising you to see the nephrologist. With that being said, be fully transparent about the drugs you use with him. It’s vital he know about any gear you take.

Brady

Thanks so much Brady! That’s the thing I’ve seen the nephrologist and other docs and although it seems to be consistent with the urine tests and bloodwork, they say that kidneys are fine and to keep monitoring every 3 months which I do as the doctors ordered. I’ve tried reading so much about it, I’ve had ultrasounds etc. And I stressed about it so much that there came a point where I had to say “whatever” I can’t control it and so many doctors have said nothing is wrong apart from that marker that I’ve tried to let it go but curious if others have experienced this.

[Juan]

My way to go is this

Finish cycle

Hold Maintain for 6/8 weeks

Never go straight into a cut.

From experience when I did a mini cut or prepped without maintance phase I lost muscle, I covered this in podcast I did with dr Scott also, you need time for new muscle to settle and to “solidify” it

Thanks so much for your response Kuba! I appreciate that. So you would recommend hold it on a trt dose, then 5-7 week mini cut on a trt dose + 100 mg primo like Hilly recommended and then new offseason mass gain cycle say (6-8 weeks maintain+5-7 weeks mini cut=)11-15 weeks later? Thanks so much for your help!