[Juan]

As others have said way over thinking here IMO and there is does seem to be a big trend of this in your posts to be honest.

the 3 hour sessions also runs in line with this to.

what are you doing for over 3 hours man

LOL finally someone said it. EVERY POST this gentleman makes is way too advanced for his level and way overthinking, I remember the old school forum days we would get blasted for these kind of questions lol

I know this forum is different, but that old school method of getting blasted engrained in us “I am overthinking it for my level, nail the basics and fundamentals first and when the time comes, the answer to this will come.”

[Juan]

Hey Kuba! I saw on IG you talked about your previous prep dropping 10 lbs but condition did not get better and you just lost size. If you don’t mind me asking, what happened that led you to that and what are you doing now to prevent that? Did you have any warning signs as it was occurring?

Thanks for your help!

[Juan]

Good for kidneys and bg

There’s lots of other things that are good for blood glucose and kidneys. Unless you have an actual kidney issue, or blood sugar issue, I would try to just monitor these and keep these markers down through normal supplementation, lifestyle practices and diet practices.

[Juan]

Wondering, why are you taking it?

[Juan]

Hey Kuba! Quick question for you. Since you have first hand experience with Jardiance, do you adjust while being on it your refeeds on your carb up/filling out protocols for a show by adjusting dose or using other strategies? Thanks for your insight!

[Juan]

I am using 5 mg daily, initially you’ll drop some water

Doses above 10mg will see a significant shift in fluid , adjust carb intake to counter it , it’s only initial – muscle gain won’t be affected if anything it can help as you don’t get as fat or inflamed your body is more insulin sensitive

I use it with my bigger guys and those who need further help with kidney values / heart health

If your super heavy should consider it , especially for renal and cardiac health

Hey Kuba! Quick question for you. Since you have first hand experience with it, do you adjust while being on it your refeeds on your carb up/filling out protocols for a show by adjusting dose or using other strategies? Thanks for your insight!

[Juan]

I am using 5 mg daily, initially you’ll drop some water

Doses above 10mg will see a significant shift in fluid , adjust carb intake to counter it , it’s only initial – muscle gain won’t be affected if anything it can help as you don’t get as fat or inflamed your body is more insulin sensitive

I use it with my bigger guys and those who need further help with kidney values / heart health

If your super heavy should consider it , especially for renal and cardiac health

I am a super heavyweight actually with goals of getting bigger. Thank you so so much for your help!

[Juan]

I deal with this and have for many years. I have always freaked out about it. Usually the next step is the doctor orders an albumin to creatinine ratio test in urine. If you had the +1 protein it will probably be elevated. If issue continues it is good to continue monitoring through time. Although with good egfr, creatinine and cystatin c the doctors take it as the kidneys may be functioning good but if protein is flowing through they may be “stressed.”

I am still trying to find a good answer.

I actually go to a nephrologist about this as well for monitoring although I seem to freak out more than he does. He is still trying to figure out why. We have not been able to pinpoint it after many years. I do think this is more common in bodybuilders than we think, just many do not get these tests done with their standard bloodwork.

All you can do is be ANAL about all your kidney care. Eg. good BP, high dose astragalus, pycnogenol, hydration, inflammation etc. and continue monitoring. Some people this is caused by training. Some people can be genetic. If it is one of these I guess the big question that the nephrologist posed to me is, will this become a kidney issue down the road? There is no answer… But in the meantime, just be on top of your health and live life. Hope that helps.

Thanks a lot brother for this awesome well written reply. Sometimes it’s easy to get lost in “google rabbit holes” and think there’s an issue when everything is fine 🙏🏻I’m pretty sure I’ve always pissed this way lol but now I’m here taking pics of piss every day and driving myself nuts. I can’t change the damage i did when i was reckless in my 20s but my blood work looks good , Egfr is good and im doing everything i can to stay on top of it . Only so much we can do without driving ourselves nuts 🙏🏻🙏🏻[/quote]

it’s my pleasure bro! I would definitely fight to follow up for an albumin/creatinine urine ratio test. As much as these doctors have gone to school for much longer than any of us for this, at least most here in canada don’t care and are desensitized to it. So I find that I have to take it into my own hands to fight for my health tests and the ability to make sure my health is top notch.

Let me know if you do get it and what your results are! But try not to stress, none of us are perfect 🙂

[Juan]

I deal with this and have for many years. I have always freaked out about it. Usually the next step is the doctor orders an albumin to creatinine ratio test in urine. If you had the +1 protein it will probably be elevated. If issue continues it is good to continue monitoring through time. Although with good egfr, creatinine and cystatin c the doctors take it as the kidneys may be functioning good but if protein is flowing through they may be “stressed.”

I am still trying to find a good answer.

I actually go to a nephrologist about this as well for monitoring although I seem to freak out more than he does. He is still trying to figure out why. We have not been able to pinpoint it after many years. I do think this is more common in bodybuilders than we think, just many do not get these tests done with their standard bloodwork.

All you can do is be ANAL about all your kidney care. Eg. good BP, high dose astragalus, pycnogenol, hydration, inflammation etc. and continue monitoring. Some people this is caused by training. Some people can be genetic. If it is one of these I guess the big question that the nephrologist posed to me is, will this become a kidney issue down the road? There is no answer… But in the meantime, just be on top of your health and live life. Hope that helps.

[Juan]

Not relevant it’s diet induced.[/quote]

Oh okay, so you would say something I am eating is causing it? I am 256 lbs fairly lean with daily protein intake of 330 g. Thank you so much for your help!

[/quote]
Like I have said it’s diet induced

Fast before bloods , lower pro & take rest and there won’t be any issues same with urinalysis.[/quote]

Thank you so so much for your help man!

[Juan]

[/quote]
Not relevant it’s diet induced.[/quote]

Oh okay, so you would say something I am eating is causing it? I am 256 lbs fairly lean with daily protein intake of 330 g. Thank you so much for your help!

[Juan]

Yes you are totally right man! So that is what I am asking.

Bloodwork: Totally fine, creatinine fine, egfr great, cystatin C great.

Urinalysis: Shows protein in urine, specifically Albumin to be high in urine while creatinine is normal in urine but it skews that magical “ratio” that the lab looks for of under 3.

So my question is, is this something you have ever paid attention to in people who train hard and have much more muscle mass than the average person?

I know that exercise induced proteinurea is a thing but after expensive research I cannot find anything in the “bodybuilding” world talking about this. Although a nephrologist mentioned to me that runners for example break down so much tissue that he has seen many runners commonly have rhabdo.

Thanks for your patience and help 🙂

[Juan]

Hey Kuba! Just wondering if you ever use a urinalysis with your athlete’s and if you are ever concerned about finding protein in urine or a high albumin/creatinine ratio through urine with big bodybuilders? Some people tell me it’s normal as a big bodybuilder who trains hard and it is exercise induced and other’s say it is not. Would love your opinion!

If I see low egfr yes I do, creatinine wil be elevated from training and muscle mass[/quote]

Thanks so much! EGFR is totally fine and so is creatinine, it is more the albumin aspect IN URINE that is elevated which skews that ratio and this is the “protein in the urine” concern.

[Juan]

Hey Kuba! Just wondering if you ever use a urinalysis with your athlete’s and if you are ever concerned about finding protein in urine or a high albumin/creatinine ratio through urine with big bodybuilders? Some people tell me it’s normal as a big bodybuilder who trains hard and it is exercise induced and other’s say it is not. Would love your opinion!

[Juan]

Please Jordan, Kuba, Hilly or anyone else who is a great coach I would really appreciate if you guys know something about this 🙂 Thanks so much!