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After that amount of test, 2 weeks later is too soon to start PCT.
For 200mg I waited 6 weeks before starting HPTA recovery.
I’m getting tired of this 2 weeks post last shot approach.
This paradigm has to change……..
Somewhere along the way people with influence like Dave gave out a random number of 2 weeks…….trust me after 2 weeks 600 mg of Test E will not be out of your system to allow you to restart your HPTA…..
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Glad you’re rating the Sleep Stack highly 😉
And I bet no groggy shit feeling either 🙂
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No worries Christoph.
Hopefully makes things clearer for people
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If competing then cosmetic DHTs like winstrol can be taken on rest days but I would save others for training days as an ergogenic aid.
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How much test did you run?
How long did you wait until you began PCT?
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I’m going to summarise again this recovery so far
200mg Test E last 6 weeks before stopping.
Checked bloods 5 weeks later and there was still some testosterone in system from the last shot.
HPTA is suppressed.
Low estrogen due to low testosterone.Test – 1.02 nmol (28.8 ng/dL)
E2 – < 18.4 pmol
FSH < 0.3 IU
LH < 0.3 IU1 week later, after 6 weeks clearance period began PCT – theoretically all exogenous Test E should have cleared.
Gonadotropin treatment
2000 IU hCG E2D for 20 days
25mg Aromasin E2D – keep estrogen low due to intratesticuolar aromatisation.
20mg Nolvadex EDAfter 20 days (20,000 IU hCG total) – blood work done to assess testoserone, FSH and LH.
Testosterone 3.84 nmol/L (7.60 – 31.40)
Estrooen <18.4 pmol/L
FSH 1.26 IU/L (Range 1.50 – 12.40)
LH 2.18 IU/L (Range 1.70 – 8.60)hCG is a LH mimic so we can’t take the result as real and FSH can be increased by aromasin.
However, the testes had begun to respond with an increase in testosterone production and volume returned.As testosterone level was still below “normal” (below 8 nmol) range, continued gonadotropin treatment for 2 weeks with the addition of 75 iu hMG 3 times per week and bloods again to assess testosterone production.
Test – 5.9 mmol (2 mmol increase)
FSH 2.4
LH – 1.3At 7 weeks into PCT – 48,000 iU hCG total and 300 iu hMG used in total
Test was now at 8.5 mmol so dropped the gonadotropin therapy.
We need testosterone in a “normal” range from the gonatropins before we remove them and try allow the HPTA to signal by itself.
Once normal range achieved, began SERM treatment using Clomid to boost LH/FSH signaling via the pituitary and re-establish efficient HPTA signaling.Bloods then done last Thursday then to assess HPTA function 2 weeks into 100mg Clomid.
Test 2.5 nmol/L
FSH 1.7 IU/L (1.5-12.4)
LH 3.71 IU/L (1.7-8.6)Although test is low, it gives a positive indication toward the HPTA now functioning alone and signaling the production of my own endogenous testosterone so it’s just a matter of patience.
Clomid dose titrated to 50mg and will re assess bloods again in 4 weeks –By this time it will have been 13 weeks PCT by this stage……..
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Right time I updated my own progress.
Training has been going superbly and strength is pretty much at my baseline again after 15 weeks.
However, if you follow my IG you’ll have seen I’ve been putting up with quite a bad pain in my lower colon since last March and finally decided to see a colorectal surgeon last Friday. It appears I have an abscess somewhere in my colon which will need to be drained. It makes sense now in hindsight as I’ve been getting flus very easily all over winter and my basophils and neutrophils have been low the last 2 months.
Between my neck and now my colon, 2018 is looking to be a year of patience…….
On a more positive note, I spoke yesterday at Irish Muscle Power alongside Phil Graham, Mark Coles, James Smyth and Jamie Alderton.
Very humbled by the turnout and how people responded to my talk so thank you if you attended 🙂www.trainedbyjpclothing.com - The most anabolic clothing ever! |
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Louis it could be an electrolyte imbalance yes.
People don’t realize but creatine feeds into your methylation cycle also though.
So it sounds like there is a blockage somewhere which is then causing your blood vessels to dilate and trigger a migraine.
Rememeber creatine is made from three amino acids, arginine, glycine and methionine, which are combined in the liver to form creatine. The methionine helps then feed into homocysteine recycling.
Have a read of this interview and it might make more sense.
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Matthew – it could be adrenal fatigue whereby cortisol is stealing your pregnenolone. I can’t really say without you getting bloods unfortunately.
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I done zero isolation work for quads – Squats and lunges then hamstrings was a triset rotation of either leg curl (seated or standing), glute ham raise/hyperextenion and rope pullthorugh/glute bridge.
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Hi Rahul,
There aren’t many I recommend.
Best thing to do is ensure stress is kept low, estrogen optimized and keep thyroid happy.
Look at adaptogens, calcium d glucarate for estrogen management, adequate selenium, tyrosine and iodine for thyroid hormone metabolism…
Most importantly the best thing for fat burning……a kcal deficit 😉
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Morning_Iron I don’t see anything wrong with your thyroid from those results being honest.
Would need a better picture of SHBG, E2, Cortisol and RT3.
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First off, how well are you recovering from following this so far?
It looks a like quite a lot of volume to start which I don’t even think I could recover from.
I would never BB squat and stiff leg deadlift in the session either and Rotties has it spot on.
Last year I done 2 rotations.
Chest Shoulders Biceps – Decline Smith then Flat smith 2nd rotation, BB Shoulder Press then Machine press 2nd rotation
Legs – Smith Squat + Leg Press + Hack Squat, 2nd rotation Squat Machine and Smith Squat.
Back Width – Pulldown movements
Hamstrings Delts Triceps – Still legged deadlift, then DB 2nd rotation
Back Thickness – Rows and ChinsStop trying to overcomplicate things too by adding in MRs – focus on getting as strong as possible on compound lifts……that’s the secret….
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None really apart from controlling fertility
Being honest the quality of life is so much better with TRT anyway
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Dr Clark in Sczezin in Poland.
Full gland excision and lipoaculptibg was 1750 in 2013.
And yes it can come back but she is the most skilled in the world and only microscopic cells remain. unless you are really really unfortunate it won’t come back.
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