[Hilly]

I’m sure youv seen this all answered here countless times.

No need to pick less fatiguing / easier exercises unless there is a recovery issue. Simply stick to your plan and assess as you go.

No Need to pick less fatigue building exercises unless you are having recovery issues.

U/L or ppl-UL ? Pick which one you prefer n run with it. Sounds to me like ppl-UL was first choice so stick to it.

Just stick to this now n asses after 8 weeks.

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[Hilly]

Looks fine to me as long as it’s digesting well and performance is good.

If you’re not dropping at a fast enough rate for goals then simply decrease.

You can defo reduce protein down based on goals here to first and I would do this based on running performance goal.

No mention of sodium : potassium ? We’re are these daily.

Fluid intake.

I would look into SLU PP also unless class this in the steroid category n avoiding

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Add again.

As J says metabolism picking up post diet plus drug increases boosting metabolism and expenditure increasing.

Also as an additional note for most that dose EQ would be to much for that dose of test n drive E2 to low so be mindful of this

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Makes most sense to do daily, you will notice you can control your estrogen better and with most people I often get feedback they actually feel better even when doses are higher.

I believe micro dosing daily is the way to go

I usually pin using 30g yellow tops 0.5 and brown 1.5’s 25g I think I used to use insulin needles, if pining daily, what’ would you recommend on which needles are most necessary and site rotation [/quote]
I use fixed insulin pins for my daily jabs.

Very common to split daily now for reasons Kuba stated

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Maybe just a diff brand as well. Sometimes just switching that can help. You’ll know right away if it’s the brand or just GH in general if you switch.

Thing is my previous brand didn’t do the numbness, did get the edema though. Why is that? If we compare them being legit or not, the second one is a much more reputable brand.[/quote]
Maybe first one was bunk.

Fact is tho some brands just hold more fluid. That varies between pharma brands n generic brands.

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Your in a growth phase were your increasing food and taking a drug that reduces your ability to process food.

If you get the dose wrong by the smallest amount for you then your going to experience bloating. Your working against the drugs mechanism of action in essence.

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I would also say start growing now

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just keep working the carbs down in essence from here then, if your happy to take a real patient approach make 150kcal drops and let them play out for 2 weeks at a time before making any changes

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Hey buddy

What I’d look at here is not so much the exact milligrams, but the role each compound plays in the overall androgen signal.

Testosterone, even when you increase it from a cruise level, is basically the “environment builder”: it sets the baseline, gives estrogen, wellbeing, pump, and a stable androgen tone. From there, every added compound should ideally add a different type of signal, not just more of the same.

Tren is a very high-affinity, dominant androgen. Even at low amounts, it tends to become the main signal the androgen receptor responds to. When it’s in the mix, the stack is no longer “test-based with an addition”, it becomes “tren-driven”, because its binding strength and persistence override most other inputs. That’s why the question is less “is the ratio good” and more “do I actually want a tren-centric signal at this stage”.

Primo, on the other hand, sits in a completely different category. It doesn’t try to dominate the receptor. It acts more as a DHT-type modulator: it refines the signal coming from testosterone, improves receptor tone, keeps things cleaner and more readable for the body, without changing the whole character of the cycle. In that sense, test + primo keeps the architecture linear and predictable, while test + tren changes the architecture entirely.

So conceptually, you’re choosing between two philosophies:

1/ one where you keep testosterone as the main driver and add something that improves the quality of that signal (like primo),

2/ and one where you introduce a compound that redefines the signal altogether (tren), even if the number on paper looks small.

Once that distinction is clear, the decision usually becomes much easier, because it’s no longer about balancing doses, but about deciding what kind of physiological message you want your body to receive.

Ludo thank you for that in depth explanation it definitely has taught me some things to consider, I’ve decided to go with the 300 test and 200 primo instead, see how I go, do you have any advice regarding GH and would I get worth whole benefits to an off season and adding it in on top of the test and primo, say starting 2 iu a night then maybe I’d taper up if needed [/quote]

If looking to use GH n dosing amounts are limited I would look at 5-6iu every other day or 3 x a week pre bed as a starting point in off season.

I have pretty good results with this for newer users to AAS n GH. [/quote]

Would you say 5-6 IU’s 3x a week or 2-3 IU’s every night pre bed [/quote]
I think i already said 5-6iu pre bed buddy in my post.

I would look to change this to 2iu on wake if I was in a fat loss stage and looking to maximise lipolysis but in general this effect isnt going to be dramatic and find the higher EOD dosing gives more overall in any phase

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I usually find any water weight drops off in 5-7 days. I would give e it 10 days to be safe

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Thurs – Rest day today – tendons are pretty sore again.

6 meals in

Steps 12k

busy day 2moro work, training and then pick Arilena up and off to any cousins Wedding until sunday.

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As Sas says controlling electrolytes could be key here however it may simply be the brand of GH you are using causes more water retention. This is very common

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I would put this down to the thyroid meds – have you had bloods done to see were they put your numbers?

I dont know any way to stop night sweats however

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If that Reta dose is doing what you need then leave it there, if not then bump to 2 x 1mg shots per week.

SLU – I find Am and pre workout effective -300-600mcg each dose

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Was thinking then that I will have to go ED so say 25mg test, 60mg nand and start with 30mg mast and move up to 40. Just speculating, will the mast help reduce the fluid retention or not since it does not act as an ai more like a serm och will the (probable) loss of fluidretention be more from lowering the total mg of nand?

Fluid drop off will likely come from reducing nandralone dose.

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