[Hilly]

this aldactone/dyazide/water protocol will be interesting to see once u have done these 2 shows n its laid out on paper as only ever used dyazide myself the day before or night before comp. i have also seen that @hilly protocol for dyazide is 36-48hr before comp if im correct so would be good to see/hear both theories behind these. maybe in the forum area.

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Agreed. Im always wanting to play with low dose Aldactone but never have so I’m very interested to see how james finds it

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[Hilly]

The science is – effects
As an effect GH causes a release of FFA to be burnt as energy, as the body stores a lot of its fat around midsection when you drop BF wether its diet or drug you have a leaner stomach.
As an effect GH causes more water retention within the muscle.  Giving a fuller look, meaning the muscle will push against the skin also giving a leaner look.
Less fat/fuller muscle and booom theres your answer
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cheers hilly. does the same apply in a calorie surplus phase[/quote]
This is hugely debatable- in the right setting with the right set up using gh you can manipulate things to recomposition yes but it’s a slower process depending on genetics

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[Hilly]

The science is – effects
As an effect GH causes a release of FFA to be burnt as energy, as the body stores a lot of its fat around midsection when you drop BF wether its diet or drug you have a leaner stomach.
As an effect GH causes more water retention within the muscle. Giving a fuller look, meaning the muscle will push against the skin also giving a leaner look.
Less fat/fuller muscle and booom theres your answer

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Your replies are always so interesting to read ????[/quote]
Thanks bud

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[Hilly]

Only for pct or during cruise phases

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[Hilly]

The science is – effects

As an effect GH causes a release of FFA to be burnt as energy, as the body stores a lot of its fat around midsection when you drop BF wether its diet or drug you have a leaner stomach.

As an effect GH causes more water retention within the muscle. Giving a fuller look, meaning the muscle will push against the skin also giving a leaner look.

Less fat/fuller muscle and booom theres your answer

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[Hilly]

Don’t over think it, you will be fine your body will adapt.

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[Hilly]

That cycle looks fine to me

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Can someone suggest a good cheat meal that only takes up 1200 cals? Thanks

Dominoes

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Epic leg workout last night. strength starting to come back, was surprised as full of man flu.

Lay hamstring curls – 1 x 9f, 1 x10f
Glute Bridges – 2 x 10-12f
leg press – 400kg x 9 solid reps. My max last off season was 480 x 9 I think at my peak heaviest/cycle but not with this depth. The aim is to keep building on this.
Banded sit hack squat – 2 x 12-14 – up in reps
Writing this I just realised I missed quad extensions out lmao
Seated ham curls – 1 x 10f, 1 x FOURs – up in reps here
Adductor RP – 1 x 19,9,4 – up in reps.

Then went for indian with the boys.

So adapted food by just having a smoothy PWO and then what ever I wanted at indian – this was 1 poppodom, seabass and lemon/cashew rice and a side of salmon fillet. was unreal

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[Hilly]

Going to shortly be running my first PED cycle. This will be a 6 week cycle of 50mg anadrol pre training only. Post cycle I will be looking to take clomid 50mg PCT for 4 weeks.

Second PED cycle in the future is likely to be Sus and deca 8-10 week cycle with 12 weeks off with a more effective PCT

Testosterone will be in the distant future following blood work. Ideally aiming for 200-250mg weekly.

Any suggestions or knowledge on these cycles will be appreciated.

I would take this daily if you are running an oral only cycle. You want to keep levels as stable as you can. I would be tempted to do 25mg on waking and 25mg pre workout.

On days off from the gym take the second dose at the same time you normally take your pre workout dose.

I disagree with all those saying oral only first cycle is bad. Is test better overall? well yes if you don’t mind increasing the risk by injecting yourself and a lot of people just don’t want to.

Bodybuilders and athletes have been making huge gains and breaking world records on oral only cycles yet apparently there of no use LOL

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[Hilly]

Yeah I understand I think I’m quite realistic in terms of body composition ect. What I’m really interested in is people talking about low libido well after pct is finished and is this just because they got so use to having a high one on test and now just have a normal average one or do they generally have it now.

I have never noticed much of an increase in sex drive off anything but tren and when I come off I still have a sex drive which I would say is normal.

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Hi Hilly, How are are feeling currently on pct are you having any lethargy ect?

I feel fine bud, no difference

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Hilly, Sorry forgot to ask how long you had been on before you started this pct?

I had gone on January 2018 and B and C from then so around 20 months

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@avatar1338 so the study for 40 years ago tells us when we inject insulin (a very old fast acting) insulin our body does not produce it because it doesn’t need to.

However it clearly states does not result in an inhibition of insulin response to high blood levels (hyperglycemic stimulus )

So this really does nothing for are debate here.

Please don’t think I’m saying your wrong as fact is we don’t know what’s correct – no one does as these basal insulin are so new no one with a normal pancreas will of rang them long enough to even establish if the pancreas could be come lazy.

Yoir statement is very clear cut n what I’m saying is it’s not fact just your opinion.

For board members to see that.

Unless you have the facts which this 1970’s study is not

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[Hilly]

This sounds ludacris to me.
Do you have science to back up the fact Long acting insulin puts your pancreas to sleep lol ????
I do agree fats should be kept lower but insulin main job is to shuttle carbs. Fats sill be stored as fat no matter what by the body as we are always producing insulin when eating Normal combined meal. Just less than what we inject.
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when im talking about long acting slin puting your pancreas to sleep im not talking about 10 or 20 iu of lantus a day. it obviously has to be enough to trigger the negative feedback loop, but thats what a lot of people do (at least thats what they tell me, they are doing). 50-70 iu of long acting insulin are no rarity and if you are stacking short acting insulin in top,  there is a good chance that your pancreas won’t secrete insulin anymore, which will be very unhealthy over time . i should have been more precise with my answer, sorry! i thought about high doses straight away.
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Even at the higher doses in yet to see how it would make the pancreas lazy.
I do get your train of thought. If injecting enough then maybe the pancreas will stop working n maybe not start again. A bit like the HPTA.
However we’re is there any evidence or suggestion of this. Not saying it can’t happen but id be very hard pushed to believe there is any evidence to show this may happen.
I would love to see it if so
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Agree with you. I’ve done tones of research on it since this thread was opened and have yet to find anything supporting that claim. I have also asked a few specialists and my doctor and all of them say that it doesn’t put the pancreas to sleep since there is no negative feedback loop. [/quote]
there is a negativ feedback loop whith every hormone in the body!!!
thats the first thing that pops up when i google :
“insulin negative feedback loop”
Insulin and glucagon work in a so called negative feedback loop. During this process, one event triggers another, which triggers another, and so on, to keep your blood sugar levels balanced. Once blood sugar levels reach homeostasis, the pancreas stops releasing insulin.
your body will notice exogenous insulin and will stop producing endogenous insulin if enought exogenous insulin is present to deal with the raise in blood sugar. if the amount of sugar is higher than the amount of exogenous insulin can cover, your body will produce endogenous insulin to brin bloodsugar levels further down.

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Yes but no we’re at all
Is there any thing to say the pancreas stops working because it’s given a break.

Actual fact is lantus only works for 12 hours actively n it’s a steady release.

So when one takes in higher carb meal your own pancreas will likely need to kick out extra.

Never mind the hours it isn’t working.

It’s very improbable our pancreas will our out 0 insulin over 24 hours.

There is also 0 evidence I have seen showing this would cause the pancrease to become lazy.

We know it can become lazy from over use – type 2 diabetes

But from under use I’m sure no one actually knows ???? Unless there is research I havnt seen

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