[Hilly]

Thanks for the insightful response Hilly!

Do you use to frontload the deca&EQ pr do you just run them 6week straight?

How much tren do you use in the tren phase 200mg maximum or more?

No i dont front load at all – i see the merit if running shorter cycles TBH but I am not a fan.

Tren – in a setting like this I would not go higher than 100-150mg Tren A

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[Hilly]

Monday – no cardio done – 6 meals in.

Trained FB in Lloyds – was a good session.

Standing Db laterals – x 8, x 10f, x 8F with 2 drop sets
DB rear delts – x 14F, x 11F
Seated Db curls – x 8, x12F, 10F with 1 drop
Crucifix PD – x 8. X 9F, 6F with 1 drop set
EZ curls SS Rope PD – 2 x 12-15
Overhand Pd – x 8, x8, x 9F, x 14F
1 arm HS row – x 8, x 8, x 9F
Incline machine press – x 8, x 7f, x 15F
Chest press – x 15F
smith squats – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 15F
Ham curls – x 8, x 9F with 2 drop sets

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What is your digestion drink in the morning?and whats ur opinion about sodium butyrate?(it helps with ibs)

I take. – 1 tablespoon AVC – 15g glutamine in warm water on wake with 0.5g sea salt –

I have noted used but I do here some find it useful

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it makes a big difference for me especially when food is high

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At your age no, just go for it seriously . When I was doing my undergrad , I felt like I could do such insane amounts of work both physically and mentally and I did and never ever felt tired . Now I have slowed wayyyyy down as gone from rocking around at 80kg to 130kg so life feels diff.

Also, the extra cash you pick up , please put in a stocks and shares Isa , jesussss if I started that at 21 I would have like 1 mil + siting in it now just from the min amount it saving 😂 . If you Isa up from 21- 45 , basically no matter what you do job wise in the middle , you will be retiring on least a mil , realistically 2

x 2 here for sure

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As you train late and need the fluid around working out there isn’t much you can do. Most people find intense exercise causes them to pee more during the following hours.

Kuba suggest of increasing salt a tad may help but again as with the others – I always wake 1 time year round if not 2

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The reason should be specific to you.

I leave mine the same on all days due to digestion.
If I have a client who is growing I will up the fats as the carbs will be down due to it being a rest day and I want them in a surplus on all days.
if a client is cutting they may be the same as a T day or even lower if I want a bigger deficit as his output is lower

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[Hilly]

that should say 2-3 not 3-4 sorry

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I also agree – although your in a good spot now with all being so good and food still so high I would keep coming down -another 3-4kg if you can comfortably

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There is some science to show that taking them together can reduce the effect of the metformin and potentially increase side effects.

this is why you will see people suggest taking 1 in the Am and 1 in the PM I believe

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there is no controversy at all I would really imagine.

There will be people that understand what works best for them.
there will be people that understand what the drugs do and how to stack them to get better results for people.
There will then be those that simply dont really no either and follow a trend.

As J says it adapts and evolves over time.

I am usually almost always 3 compounds in off season these days. In prep more as you would expect.

When cruising 2 compounds currently but sometimes just 1

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Personally I like the idea of swapping the second compound during a cycle but not just because it hits 6 weeks.

ive heard the theories and reasons for them but I dont believe there is actually any merit in the reasons they have.

I just think shifting from one drug to another brings about a different look and effect so people see a different result.

For example – if I run Deca and then switch to EQ im going to go from a watery look to a dry look – Im also going to get 4-6 weeks of a much higher total MG due to the ester length.

switching then from those to tren for example is going to recomp me hard and give a different look.

So there is no magic happening – just drugs building up and working as they are supposed to.

A very solid approach IMO

Eq for 6 weeks first – let the anti E benefit kick in and increase RBC etc for the benefits that brings.
Then deca for 6 weeks – increase the muscle building effect of the cycle
then last 6 weeks tren – get the increase in strength again from a stronger drug and you’ll see a recomp effect from the tren doing its thing.

Thats how my bro science would make use of the science of the drugs –

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Sunday – rest day – cardio done

Meals went to pot today – I had to get Arilena much earlier than planned so had no time to meal prep and then we were out doing xmas stuff all day.

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Saturday -Weight 231lb

Cardio done

6 meals in

Trained FB at UF and was a great session.

Lateral machine – x 12F, x 8F with a drop set
Shoulder press – x 8F, x 17F
Preacher curl machine – x 13F, x 11F, x 8F
Tricep extension machine – x 11F, x 8F, x 15F
1 arm concentration curl – x 16F
1 arm tri PD – x 19F
Lat focused duel PD – x 13F, x 9F
neutral PD – x 7f, x 15F
Decline machine – x 7f, x 15F
Pec dec – x 15F
1 leg curl – x 13F
Extensions – x 16F
Adductor – x 13F

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[Hilly]

Im with Allison here – if Training days are a struggle then simply bump rest days up.

You could literally from here just keep tapering them up until they are very close to Training day numbers

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