[Hilly]

to me this all sounds ok however I do agree with Nath about not throwing everything in at once.

I would hold off the slin intitially.

I also dont like the mixture blend as for some it may put there E2 way to low on those doses but if thats all you have access to then start with 1 ml and asses bloods to see were hormones are at weeks 5-6

I would as you suggest start with the GH pre bed – if you mix the meds with 1ml of water then 10iu gives you 1.6iu Gh – so I would of with 15iu water first – giving 2.4iu Gh pre bed.

i would run this for 6 weeks – Asses all in terms of progress, how you feel, look and what bloods show.

Then I would potentially up the GH to 20iu giving 3.2iu GH
bring in the slin as J says pre workout.

Possible increasing the AAS to 1.5ml per week from 1ml but this would be depending on how blood work looked

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[Hilly]

you well may find your E2 is a tad low on that dose of primo but if it isn’t I would hold things there with the drugs.

I would drop the winstrol – I really see no need for this compound unless some one is super lean and looking for the visual benefits or in specific sporting cases – just my opinion.

i would not add tren either – the test and primo is more than enough for what you are trying to achieve IMO.

Also and most importantly I huge well done on your progress so far, should be very proud of yourself

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[Hilly]

Sat – Rest day – only 5 meals in due to poor planning and simply a busy day.

Grands 90th birthday party in the home she is at
Meet client down from Scotland to pose
go see my dad as he had hip replacement surgery recently and still isn’t to well but recovery is going good.

Cardio done

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Hi mate what kals you hitting for this rate of gain?

4500 ish Training days and 4000 rest days bud 🙂

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Hey Hilly,

I see Bob Waterhouse has been tagging you in his posts on Insta, are you helping him with his nutrition/training or just supplements. He’s been making some very impressive progress and staying very lean while doing so. He mentioned in his podcasts he’s followed “low protein” (1g/lb lean bodyweight) previously, just curious if he’s changed things since working with you.

Love following along with your journal, so much helpful content my man

Hello bud –

So during prep I just do Bobs supplements but during his off season I control all aspects yes –

his protein is higher than that now for sure and has been during this growth phase and the last one we did before his recent preps 🙂

hes been making some super progress last off season an even more so this one. We have a full year to grow this time and im pretty sam excited to watch it play out thats for sure.

Appreciate the kind words my man – Truly

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[Hilly]

Hello, thank you both for your time and answers!

Actually I’m taking both of supplements. I know that HDL will be always lower for us, even when I was natty I got it like ~35, so I think genetics here plays the role for me.

The thing I worried about is overall. Isn’t too low LDL and triglycerides bad? For the first time I see such overall low cholesterol.

For me having low bad cholesterol is a good thing.

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[Hilly]

hey this looks fine to me if you can recover and progress from this volume. Its all about what your own body can manage not what we think is right.

okay , thanks i think I overthink a lot when it comes to diet training ect [/quote]
Alot of people do and it’s easy to do so.

Well
Keel you right here.

I would keep your questions and learning just to here.

If you have one solid resource for information it’s much less likely you’ll over think 😎

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[Hilly]

so first all sounds very sensible –

However your test reading is currently very high as is E2 – what are you currently taking?

Primo will work well at reducing E2 so that is a good move – the masteron will also help reduce any issues from higher E2,

However if you are trying to grow you want E2 on the higher side unless you experience high E2 sides – such as gyno, water retention, acne, reduced libido etc.

Are you getting any of these sides?

What is the goal of the cycle? Growing?

Thanks for you reply Peter, appreciate that! When doing this bloodwork last week, I was on the 10th week of cruising on 250mg test e only. I guess it’s gonna be a trial and error to get the test and E2 in the right place with the right test : DHT ratio for me. At the moment I only experience acne, But I’m already experiencing that for like 1-2 years. It seems that I’m sensible for that, but fortunately it’s not that bad so it’s acceptable. Goal of cycle is to grow a shit ton of mass.
Goal is to have a productive pushphase as long as possible on a low bodyfat, aiming for 100kg in an ¨okayish¨ conditioning.[/quote]
So the bloods make sense.

Acne may well gr from high E2 n thus prolactin being high.

Additions of primo and mast make all the sense to me. Good move

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[Hilly]

Friday – Weight 229lb

Look is not bad.

Cardio done

Trained in a newish gym that would have been useful if I move but I didn’t like it at all so session was very average but strength etc was good.

1 arm cable laterals – 2 x failure sets
Shoulder press – 2 x failure sets

Seated Db curls – 2 x failure sets
Crucifix PD – 2 x failure sets
Flat bar cable curl SS rope PD – 2 failure sets

Seated HS low row – 2 failure sets
Seated upper back cable row – 2 failure sets

Glute Machine – 2 failure sets
Pendulum – 2 shit sets. Kit was aweful
Leg press – 1 shit set. Also aweful

Decline chest press – 3 failure sets.

Shite really n annoyed I didn’t go UF but is what it is

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[Hilly]

vitamin b 6 p5p at 400mg daily or Engineered muscle turbogoline 2 caps per day

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HDL will always be low when using AAs and some drugs will Lower it more so than others potentially the likes of tren/deca –

I would make sure you are using TBJP omega pro at 5g per day and also TBJP love heart – these both will help but you may well not see it in range as most of us see it lowered to some extent on any form of AAS and its not a direct worry as we know from alot of research now it isn’t low HDL that has a direct link to heart issues but high LDL – so keeping that in range and low is key.

However we also always want to strive to have our HDL in the best place we can

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[Hilly]

hey this looks fine to me if you can recover and progress from this volume. Its all about what your own body can manage not what we think is right.

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[Hilly]

Mine used to be

7am

10-11

2pm

5pm

7pm – PWO

9:30-10

But its about making it suit yourself –

How many meals do you have?

What about making the last meal just a shake?

5 meals and 1 Intra. But 2 of the meals are after training which is after 9pm which is why it means I’m up eating till later [/quote]
Try and get more meals in earlier then bud

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[Hilly]

yeh no issues at all IMO

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Fully agree with all above – 1 week as you were and then start building those kcal back up

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