[Hilly]

So your not dropping weight but getting leaner and looking better – which may mean dropping fat and adding muscle?

This is like winning the body building lotto – id be having a party not worrying lol –

how many weeks into cycle are you ?

Yeah I totally agree with this but I think it’s something in the back of my head regarding the scale weight not going down , I’m currently 10 days in as just recently got bloods back and I was happy with everything regarding these [/quote]
if your 10 days in then your weight isn’t dropping because the AAs is taking effect – increasing glycogen retention and fluid retention IM with it so the scale not dropping is to be expected if not an actual increase at times.

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[Hilly]

i dont believe there is a max – after a certain amount there is no additional increase in protein synthesis but that doesnt mean the protein is wasted.

I actually believe there was a study done recently on higher protein feeds PWO and the higher amount was shown to be of benefit.

i feel 40-60g per feed is ideal for all males and 30-40g for females

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[Hilly]

I dont see a need/use for lantus really when coming out of a show as your body is super insulin sensitive

The only potential place for it would be if I was focusing on a lagging body part and having a very high carb day on that training day – I may well have some here but that would be the only time using it

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[Hilly]

Friday – no training again – worked all morning and then by the pool this afternoon.

Went out for a walk and found a gym so going to train Sat and Monday before I fly home.

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[Hilly]

Hey bud, did you keep the DBH in in the end? Would you consider it a worthwhile addition alongside test and mast for a growth phase?

so i have just dropped it out after a good 14 weeks or so running it – I have now also ran it with several clients and I am quite a fan.

It seems to defo help stay leaner and is IMO good for growth and performance in the gym – dose range 150-300mg max – I found 200mg perfect

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[Hilly]

How long have you been dieting for?
How much weight have you dropped
how is performance in gym ?

That kcal total is pretty low for sure and I would want to set it higher but its very hard to just give guidelines without more information

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[Hilly]

So your not dropping weight but getting leaner and looking better – which may mean dropping fat and adding muscle?

This is like winning the body building lotto – id be having a party not worrying lol –

how many weeks into cycle are you ?

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[Hilly]

Im with J and kuba – i wouldnt touch it – you should be hungry and enjoy the discipline it takes to do this shit and stick to meal plan.

However I also understand thats a little backwards thinking when we are happy to use so many other drugs for there purposes.

so its a tool that if you feel you need can be utilised.

However my concern is that it makes it difficult to eat and that people end up under eating which is really not what we want in this game

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[Hilly]

i can say this is very normal for almost every one that is not at an advanced level and even for quite a few that are advanced in terms of how you feel when your getting leaner and leaner.

You look smaller in clothes.

you dont have that pump you do when growing

for most during the I trial 4-8-12 weeks depending how soft you were when started you tend to look worse and worse before you start to look better as there is still fat there but the muscle is flat with no pop under the skin/fat and thus you just look worse.

Its just part and parcel and the more you do this the more you realise it is a part to the process every one goes through and it does get better once lean lean and once you fill out 🙂

This is the exact assumption that I had. I recon that i’ll look great in a few weeks & just need to give myself more time! (yesterdays posing session already confirmed that)

Thank you Hilly![/quote]
my pleasure buddy 🙂

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[Hilly]

its one of the most important factors year round bud.

I usually start every on with 1g per meal and an additional 1g intra – then asses from here

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[Hilly]

Thanks guys for the feedback. I typically get bloods done biannually usually after the 20 week blast and a 6 week cruise to make sure the bloodwork goes back to normal. Always take love heart and vital support during blast. Bloodwork always dialed on the labs at the end of each cycle.

As far as feel, I’ve felt good on all cycles.

As I have test and primo on hand; thoughts about 500test/500primo; run for 6-8 weeks and if results are good stay the same for rest of cycle; or if wanting a little more; add 250 deca? Also last time I was up at 500 test; was advised to take .5mg arimidex daily.

Training is been Full body for 2 months and plans to run it through this whole phase; nutrition is always on point.

Thanks guys!

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

Awesome thank you for the advice guys and kind words @Hilly , first real prep with two kids (5 & 7months) and I work full time in law, so I’m over the moon how I handled it 🙂 and don’t think I brought a package that looked out of place 🙂

and sorry I should have mentioned that my plan was actually 4 weeks now @200mg test e per week, bloods booked for 23rd sept which is 8 days post show and depending on this then adding the drugs in October 15th which is 4 weeks post show.

Currently doing 25mins bike and 10-12k steps daily (daily German shepherd walks keep steps high)

Training is only 4 days per week to allow recovery until October

yeh that makes it all the more impressive – prepping with kids is no easy task I know that haha – my little girl trying to feed me choc and waffles at 1 week out was testing.

Sounds like you have the idea plan laid out – this defo all makes sense to me

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[Hilly]

Thurs – up and out for a walk

Worked till 1pm

time to chill and work on my tan – meals will be down but im eating up at meal times in a big way

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[Hilly]

Wednesday – travel to greece – 4am start
Landed here 5pm

4 meals in plus drinks last night
Lots of steps
No training

Here till Monday – will aim to train 3 times if I can but we shall see – I may just do an U/L

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