[Hilly]

I never remove it but I taper it right down 7-10 days out – it has a slight diuretic effect and I dont like to make drastic changes to things that control how the body holds water.

Clients will usually be on 40mcg daily for the duration of peak week

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[Hilly]

yeh as J says – need the full picture here

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[Hilly]

it may well just be a time thing.

i would keep pushing your weight up and increase fat macros personally from the usual good sources and see if this helps.

How often are you training – how is recovery? Do you feel beat up day to day?

Then re asses in 12 weeks

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From here i would add

intra workout carbs
Fruit PWO

Then fats to meal 1 if doesnt effect digestion – I would also be looking to switch out the oats to TBJP COR for better digestion and to help with hunger as food increases but thats just me

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As always do what you feel best on

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Fully agree with Clare here –

Some people do seem to find splitting macros up at certain times allows them to feel better and potentially hold a little better body comp but im not sure if this is simply due to them feeling better, eating at times they prefer and thus increasing adherence etc

its very hard to say

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Which mix if drugs did you feel the best on – day to day feel? In the gym? Libido ? Ability to eat.

Thats the key here as to were to go next – figure out where you felt the best and were you feel the best progress was and just taper up the previous dose by 2-300mg total –

I would personally of back in at previous dose for first 6-8 weeks and then increase for another 8-10 weeks

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I would agree with sas and go to 250mg straight away.
I would also use clen for the duration TBH –

I almost never use t3 with people unless its comp clients as I dont see a need to just get lean lean but you can do if wish

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Hello bud – first congrats on your first showing – you have a very good physique there.

Over the years I have changed my stance on Post show periods and never run a rebound – I prefer to drop down to a slightly higher cruise dose – say 400mg total of test/primo/mast and use food and the body recovering/dropping strength to elicit growth – this works very well IME.

then check blood work week 7/8 and at this point you should be super fresh, still nice and lean and on a decent bit of food –

Then bring the drugs in and everything just keeps getting better and better.

instead of running a rebound and then having to stop and cruise just as the real fun is beginning –

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the HCg will defo be causing a spike in E2 here on top of any aromatisation for sure and making things worse

The best thing to do here is find what dose of primo/mast (I prefer a 50/50 mix) keeps E2 in a good on say 300mg test – you should be able to get it in a great range and then you can make moves from there.

As J says tho some people do just need to use a little AI or look to EQ as it has a much stronger AI effect for most than primo/mast IME

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its a little low IMO for a first cycle and your current test reads seems pretty high so you may find 200mg test doesnt put you that much higher.

I also agree with J

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Tuesday – so another pretty busy day with Arilena -we went out all morning and then I went to see my mum and auntie – Arilena stayed there for 2 hours which allowed me to take the cat to the cattery, get to the barbers and train arms in 35 minutes lol.

Not worth typing up as was just superset stuff.

then took Arilena to her Mums at 8pm tonight as they go on holiday 2moro and I go away early doors.

Managed to get 5 meals in total – so not a terrible day –

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To be it sounds like you may still simply be to lean as if you have driven food up by a good chunk but your still only 3kg up then your still super lean and this could well be the issue.

what were your kcal and macro end of diet
What are they now.

in your post you have referenced it as post show – were you /are you really than lean – as if you walking around at 6-8% body fat naturally then test levels may well not come back up until this moves into higher range even if food has taken a decent step forward

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[Hilly]

Defo teres IMo or possibly lat – I have done the exact same thing jumping up to a pull up bar before.

I just did everything that didnt cause it any pain – was fine in 2 weeks – your bruising is a little worse than mine but let pain be your guide

My theory is that my teres got overused due to my left lat not fully engaging. I always had a hard time feeling my left lat working. It happened at the bottom of my first weighted pull up warm up with 15kg. Which is honestly really weird considering my usual weighted pull up form. I always try to pause for 1-2 seconds at the bottom to let everything stretch out. You would think that my body would have gotten used to this type of loading by now lol. It already feels a lot better. I just did a few light sets with 20kg on unilateral pulldowns. It will probably take some time until I’m back at chins again. Getting over the mental barrier of doing pull ups again is going to be a long process by itself [/quote]
thats very possible mate – Mine was being in a different gym and jumping up to a bar to do hanging leg raises lol – simply over stretched and pinged it – very poor way to injure a muscle thats for sure lol

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[Hilly]

i can say this is very normal for almost every one that is not at an advanced level and even for quite a few that are advanced in terms of how you feel when your getting leaner and leaner.

You look smaller in clothes.
you dont have that pump you do when growing
for most during the I trial 4-8-12 weeks depending how soft you were when started you tend to look worse and worse before you start to look better as there is still fat there but the muscle is flat with no pop under the skin/fat and thus you just look worse.

Its just part and parcel and the more you do this the more you realise it is a part to the process every one goes through and it does get better once lean lean and once you fill out 🙂

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