[Hilly]

just move to a lean growth phase – mentally you seem a little all over so it defo makes sense to me to move to growing –

How would you recommend I transition into maintenance?[/quote]
by upping your kcal enough that you stop dropping weight and dont gain weight – this will then be your current maintenance. – it all be different for all.

I usually start at 300kcal on T days and 200kcal on rest days

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[Hilly]

hey aman –

1 – you can slowly increase the test and primo in relation to each other and asses – so move test to 500mg and primo to 600mg and re asses bloods.

2 – my first go to would be EQ here instead of using a primo etc. Eq tends to work even better at controlling E2 than primo IME in most people and I am a big of an of its use.

3 – if I make a change such as tapering up doses or adding an AI I like to leave least 3 weeks before I re asses bloods preferably between weeks 4-5 for the most accurate snap shot of were hormones are on the new set up

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Question related to my cycle above. I ran test E at 300mg pinned once a week for 5 weeks then switched to 500mg test E split twice a week for the past 3 weeks.

How long is it recommended to stay at 500mg a week for? I’ve seen some say 8, 12, 16 or 20 weeks. I plan on cruising at around 200mg a week after on a trt dose before going again. I had naturally low testosterone blood readings before starting.

there is no real recommendation – what are the current goals – how long did you intend on staying on cycle for – you could stay on for 20-25 weeks in total if you wish and blood work was good and you were still making progress at a good rate towards your goals [/quote]

Goals are to build on muscle and continue to reduce BF%. I hit a plateau in the gym and strength wasn’t increasing. Since starting test my strength has massively increased, muscle mass has increased and BF% has dropped big time. I want to continue build on where I’m at ready for a Christmas holiday abroad and feel and look good. I was thinking about tapering off around end November and cruising on trt until January before stepping up again. That will be 16 weeks at 500mg. [/quote]
Seems sensible to me and totally fine

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[Hilly]

thurs – weight not taken – Cardio done – 30 minutes on wake.

All meals in
Sleep much much better

Trained legs and was a very good workout.

Seated ham curls – x 8, x 8, x 15F, x 11F back off with adjusted load – up in reps here
Glute bridges – moved these to earlier in workout – x 8, x 8, x 11F up in weight
Extensions – x 8, x 8, x 13F – up 1 rep
Leg press – x 8, x 8, x 13f. Up 1 rep
1 leg hip press – x 8, x 13f – up 1 rep
1 leg ham curl – x 8, x 14f – Same
Belt squat – 2 x 10 – these were done light and due to training with a client and wanting to go through form work.

great day and very happy to be back ticking boxes.

More importantly Arilena is once again much better

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[Hilly]

just move to a lean growth phase – mentally you seem a little all over so it defo makes sense to me to move to growing –

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Question related to my cycle above. I ran test E at 300mg pinned once a week for 5 weeks then switched to 500mg test E split twice a week for the past 3 weeks.

How long is it recommended to stay at 500mg a week for? I’ve seen some say 8, 12, 16 or 20 weeks. I plan on cruising at around 200mg a week after on a trt dose before going again. I had naturally low testosterone blood readings before starting.

there is no real recommendation – what are the current goals – how long did you intend on staying on cycle for – you could stay on for 20-25 weeks in total if you wish and blood work was good and you were still making progress at a good rate towards your goals

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Wednesday – much better sleep last night – Arilena woke just twice.

20 minutes of cardio done.
All meals gone in.

trained delts/chest with a client and was time restricted as I had to get back for Arilena but it was a good session overall.

Cable raise – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 13f wit partials
Cable rear delts – x 8, x 9F, x 7f with 2 drop sets
Shoulder press machine – x 8, x 8, x 9F – all done with a dead stop
Seated Db laterals – 4 x 10 with 10 seconds rest not letting hold of the Db

Incline Chest press – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 14F
Machine press. – x 8, x 8, x 11F with 2 drop sets
pec dec – 1 x 17f, x 14F
Dips – x 16F with 2 drop sets

Toe press – x 8, x 16F, x 13F with 2 drop sets

Job done –

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[Hilly]

so for almost all IME 200mg test and 200mg primo would Botton out E2 levels which will be terrible for recovery. So personally I would be lowering the primo right down to 50-75mg however you may know from blood work that you need this 50/50 split and if so then that makes sense.

Tb500 – I would want 5000mg per week for 6 weeks
BPC I would increase to 4-500mcg daily

I would also ideally have GH in there at 2-3iu pre bed – for me this is huge during recovery phases like this

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so after doing pct when we need to run new cycle , how much break we should we give after doing pct ?

till you have achieved your goal of the PCt buddy –

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[Hilly]

Personally i without knowing much about you but the above I would be doing to start

300mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast.

Asses at weeks 6-8 – get bloods done to see were you hormones are on these ratio’s – how you feel, how progress is in the gym and visually and how performance is and then decide if you need to tweak things, if you want/need to bump up the total dose or not and go from there

Also one last question, I’m planning on doing a pct after.

Let’s say it take me 30 weeks before I’m off off.

Would hcg taken 250iu a week throughout the cycle be enough to jump start pct. Or do I spend the extra $200 and make it 500iu a week

Or:

Is it just best to take hcg right after last pin in larger doses [/quote]

Its almost impossible to say what is best – for most people just taking a larger dose PWO always brings them back on line.

IMO HCG use during cycle is more cosmetic and will help retain testicular size however there is then no debate really it will in some form aid in recovery but IME it is not needed.

Either way tho you will need a larger dose still post cycle [/quote]

Sorry to be a pain, I’m just doing a lot of research and most people don’t recommend using mast and primo in a pushing phase especially at lower doses.

I know what you recommend is probably right as I’m seeing people recommending 1g+ usage a week which seems like a lot.

What makes it better to use the 3 in combination compared to like eq and deca which seems to be the most recommended to me.

Just trying to understand all this information [/quote]
Primo – controls E2 better than mast – Also has the potential to better increase nitrogen retention which can elicit more growth.
Masteron – doesnt reduce E2 but stops it binding to receptors and causing high E2 sides – it also increases free testosterone which means you get more from the test your taking alongside some performance issues.

i find when people are using lower doses of Test Eq reduces E2 to much and causes issues.

You never mentioned the use of Deca – I know nothing about you personally in terms of how your body responds to these drugs.

so this is the most logical/efficient and sound advice I can give based on information given and makes the most sense to me based on reasoning about

If you want to read stuff about people using stronger drugs and higher doses and want to do this then the advice would be different but thats not the info provided buddy –

there is for me no doubt a mix of primo and mast will be more effective than just masteron for the reasons again explained above

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Tuesday – Similar to yesterday as Arilena was up all night – maybe 3-4 hours sleep tops.

5 meals in today so better here,

Total rest day and day in the house looking after a very poorly little girl

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I would dose it all pre bed personally for sure

Hey Hilly, would you take it with the last meal or before the last meal „half fasted“? [/quote]
with last meal

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[Hilly]

this is a very hard question to answer because in truth if he is very young then he really should be coming on and off if he wants to truly look after his fertility –

Some HCG use may help if he his Blast and cruising and he just needs to manage E2 while adding this in. 100mg test seems a very very low number and something that IMO will restrict progress if all he is using on top is masteron –

On and off like sir

You mean pct after long cycle

Can you explain[/quote]
Yes – i mean if some one is very Young and they are keen to keep there HPTA axis healthy long term and not require TRT or have any issues with fertility at all or worries then I would want them to come off and Pct for as long as there progress and competitive goals allows them to.

I would not be advising some one with these goals at a Young age to B and C straight away

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I would honestly run upper lower here 4 x per week instead

This will give you plenty of frequency hitting everything 2x per week but also plenty of time to recover and suit

Your schedule frequency wise too

Couldnt agree with this more.

Especially based on your other posts as well.

U/L makes perfect sense

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Hey Bud what is your current body composition like, Bodyweight, and how did you tolerate that last cycle in terms of sides….physically and mentally. Did you feel good? did you perform well?
Then we can give some more solid advice. The starting stack sounds solid to me. With the runway to titrate your doses up nicely there. You should see a nice response from this with being on 150mg T only for 15 weeks.
Personally in an off season I have found I prefer just sticking with 2 compounds for me. Test and Primo thats where I feel, look and peform the best. When shot volume gets to the point where I dont want to add anymore primo I will opt for adding in EQ mg for mg, But thats just personal preference.
Ive ran NPP, and Parabolan in off season settings previously and just prefer Test and DHT with the main drivers been food, training and sleep

Hi Nathan, thanks for your feedback.

My body composition is 89kg at 180cm and around 15% bf basing this on the body index machine at my gym so can assume it can be slightly higher then that. Abs are still visible and good striation in the delts (again would upload pictures but there is a big update happening with the site so won’t let me)

I always prioritise health and push to a limit I’m comfortable with. So never had any negative issues really. Mood is good. Sleep in good and skin is good as I always look after all 3 of these points. No real libido issue other then I wanted to have sex more. Yes testicles did shrink a tiny bit but that’s given with the usage of PEDs.

EQ I always get mixed options about it that we should not use it for the sides you get. I only used is once and just got big but puffy so never implemented it again.

Reason behind choosing NPP was just to see its effects on my nagging shoulder issue and trial and error it on myself. Otherwise I agree with 2 compounds only and always rely more on food than to push my drugs up. And only push drugs if needed.

I could swap mast e for primo so it looks like this for the first 6 weeks:

300 test e

200 primo

150 NPP

And then I do the bloods. To plan ahead

But what ratio would you suggest test:primo ?[/quote]
i like the sound of your initial plan here TBH – then asses were hormones are at week 5-6 and base any changes/increases based off this in terms of were your hormones are and were you want to keep things. As we all feel differently at different levels of E2 etc

For most IME something around this will sit well unless they aromatic heavily or have issues when E2 trends up over the normal range

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