[Hilly]

Im with Kuba here – i dont add it in relation to BG.

For me I bring it in when I feel its warranted for the person – is there food intake at a level were it could be beneficial.

Are we in an environment were increased nutrient shuttling would be beneficial.

Is that persons body comp in a position were it wont have a negative impact as IME the if some one is on the softer side they do to get softer quicker with insulin in play.

In terms of what to start with for me it depends on the individual and how I have there food set up alongside what am I trying to achieve. If some one is on the leaner side no matter what and I am trying to push recovery/anabolism around training then I may opt for fast slin around training first.

If some one has a tendency to get softer easier and we are focused on keeping then lean while we grow then I will likely go for lantus in meal 1 initially

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[Hilly]

Monday -no weight taken or cardio done – Arilena was up more or less all night with this chicken pox bless her.

Missed 2 meals again today – managed to get some work done this morning while mum had Arilena for a few hours but she was getting upset so I had to come back earlier than planned and is just all over bless her.

I imagine 2night and 2moro is going to be very similar

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[Hilly]

this is a very hard question to answer because in truth if he is very young then he really should be coming on and off if he wants to truly look after his fertility –

Some HCG use may help if he his Blast and cruising and he just needs to manage E2 while adding this in. 100mg test seems a very very low number and something that IMO will restrict progress if all he is using on top is masteron –

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[Hilly]

I would defo go U/L –

exercise selection is based on what you feel works for you buddy so its about picking exercise you connect best with and not what others may think is best. This all looks fine to me tho.

Volume – again similar to the above its all based on what you feel you can recover from – I personally would start at 1 work set – asses this and then taper up and see how you recover over time

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[Hilly]

Sunday – No weight taken.

missed 2 meals – Arilena is very poorly so the day has very much been about looking after her.

No cardio done.

Rested

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[Hilly]

What was the reason for the supplement recommendations -what was out on bloods?

Test level is on the lower side defo when we consider the range is 8-28 especially for your age. I would look to increase omega intake to 5-6g daily and add in the TBJP natural stack and re test in 8 weeks

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[Hilly]

so potentially you could presume he may feel good and perform good around 50 for E2

How was the mix of primo and mast. – 50/50

For me I would just use the first fat loss phase as a testing phase to workout the exact ratio he needs and were he feels best in terms of E2 read as you dont need alot of drugs to maintain muscle.

so maybe 400mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast

Run this for 5 weeks with proviron at 25mg daily.

get bloods done – asses how we feels and how things are working – then make a change if needed or log info that this is were you need his E2 to be.

I would use clen for sure – 40-120mcg if needed and want to get fat off ASAP – I would not use tren as it will skew bloods and the work you are trying to do

Hey there @Hilly, thanks for taking the time to give a response here. This makes a lot of sense.

Have drugs elevated just enough for the fat loss phase but not overdoing it and see where the estrogen lands.

I didn’t have concern of the tren skewing estrogen as we have sensitive tests here but what it could skew is the well being/ sex drive metric that we’re hoping to improve here so excellent point.

I’m of the opinion of ripping the fat off as fast possible during this to not waste time on the push up. So I think I will look to utilize clen there. If you have any other suggestions on this approach feel free to share. Your experience is very much appreciated here! [/quote]
My pleasure buddy – just hit the diet harder – IMO when you have anabolic support in like this you can push pretty hard out of the gate and make some big changes ASAP –

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[Hilly]

i agree I would want to push a little leaner If you can – the leaner the better always for me,

If your having some food focus issues have 2-3 days at maintain kcal but give yourself some macro based meal for variety – then get stuck back into a deficit and pull off another 5-10lb and you will be in the perfect spot IMO

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You need an abundance of raw material ( calories ) , to build something new , you can’t build a house without any new material . So food is the driver of everything

Anabolics facilitate a more efficient process when increasing food and a higher proportion of the new material is used as muscle vs fat , the slower and more patient you go in your caloric increases the more likely again you will maximise muscular gains, providing your creating the consistent stimulus in the gym

doesnt get better of an explanation that this

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[Hilly]

I don’t know anyone big big that ever has used any of this shit – it’s less effective than Gh so what’s the point in using it, it isn’t cost effective either as amount you need to take costs almost as much as Gh

fully agree here.

i have played with all and in the end just came back to GH as does every one else

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[Hilly]

so potentially you could presume he may feel good and perform good around 50 for E2

How was the mix of primo and mast. – 50/50

For me I would just use the first fat loss phase as a testing phase to workout the exact ratio he needs and were he feels best in terms of E2 read as you dont need alot of drugs to maintain muscle.

so maybe 400mg test,
200mg primo
200mg mast

Run this for 5 weeks with proviron at 25mg daily.

get bloods done – asses how we feels and how things are working – then make a change if needed or log info that this is were you need his E2 to be.

I would use clen for sure – 40-120mcg if needed and want to get fat off ASAP – I would not use tren as it will skew bloods and the work you are trying to do

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[Hilly]

Exactly as J and Hilly have stated here. Starting cycle 250-300mg total – assess tolerance to Test but I like a little DHT in there personally. If you can source real primo that my preference but thats totally person dependant Mast is also fine.

Sir test tolerance will increase over the period of time right ?

As we will increase dht too ?[/quote]
bloods will tell you this for sure – every one is different

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Sat – was up during night as Arilena was ill and her mum had to take her AnE so was waiting up to make sure she was ok which she is – she has chicken pox bless her.

All work done today
Cardio done
Trained back in lloyds – so nothing log booked

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Friday – busy day in cheltenham – worked and caught up wth 3 clients.

Cardio done

Trained shoulders and chest in the she which was awesome as expected.

Side lateral – x 8, x 11F with a drop set and partials
Shoulder press – x 8 x 8, x 9F x x15F
Rear delt on pec dec – x 8, x 8, x 13F
DB front raise – x 10, x 10, x 9F
Standing Db lateral – x 10, x 10, x 9F with partials

Pec dec. -x 10, x 10, x 11F
Incline press – 8, x 8, x 12F, x 8F
Flat press – x 8, x 8, x 15F, x 7F
dip machine – x 15F, x 13F

Very good workout then sushi with one of my mates before a very late drive home – landed 12:30 passed midnight –

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[Hilly]

TBJP natural stack would be my first choice here, alongside increasing my intake of TBJP omega pro 6-9g daily and increasing my total fat intake from good fats.

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