[Hilly]

Usually I am looking a what the weight was to now over 7 days, I use an average when people tend to show more of a swing on the scale day to day.

some people tend to be quite consistent were as others tend to see more of a swing up and down based on other variables.

Tracking a 7 day average will defo give you more accuracy

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[Hilly]

1 – as J says start low and asses how each person responds with each change you make.

2 – mast and primo are similar however primo has a stronger AI effect in almost all cases IME
3 – proviron will help control E2 a tad but nothing like other things again IME.

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[Hilly]

based on all of this and the current set up I would be inclined to drop the Tren for 200mg primo to lower E2 into the show.

I would be hard pushed to see why being on 1700kcal at this low dose of test is the cause for water retention mind but either way this will help.

personally I would also bring in 20mg Var pre training days –

Thanks – I decided to go with 200mg primo + 20mg/day Anavar. Will also run 20mg/day Tbol until I start my Winstrol ramp.

My body always reacts with elevated cortisol and stress when I cut calories, the more I’ve cut them the more water retention I’ve experienced – I’ve gained weight instead of losing on every weekly weigh-in for the last 3 weeks.

I have DEEP sock marks on my ankles, and a couple of days of my feet hurting just to walk with shoes on.

I’m on 20mg of Telmisartan, too.

I trust my coach will adjust the training and diet the final week to fix this, though. Tried drastically reducing caffeine intake and skipping my usual pre-WO ephedrine (12.5mg only) for a couple of days and slept 9hrs every night, so my body is obviously really tired.

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Can you get bloods done to see if something is off here – I would be worried there is a kidney issue and want to check before you start with the winstrol TBH.

Would also add in some TBJP Unwind to see if this helps.

Maybe a couple of days rest from the gym will also help but if your working with a coach then I am sure they are addressing these things and working on stuff to see what the issue is as it certainly isn’t normal or a good sign

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[Hilly]

thurs – Rest day today as i have traveled to cheltenham to link with some clients and friends 2moro – awful 5 hour drive in total but it is what it is.

All meals in –
Cardio was done.

Getting a little acid this last 1-2 weeks and think this is cause of the hiccups I was getting -am yet to find the cause as all I have done is upped the test I was using a little bit. Nothing else.

i have changed brands just to see if this helps but I really doubt it is this.

I may of just maxed out the time frame on DHB before it starts to cause issues – going to spend the next couple of days seeing if it is anything else and if it doesnt seem to be then ill drop the DHB

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[Hilly]

I would be aiming for 4L per day here.

i would use a salt grinder and look to get 5-6 grinds of salt per feed daily as well as your intra workout drink – this usually averages out at about a gram on most grinders and most IME feel good/better on 4-5g per day. The bigger you are in terms of muscle mass etc the more you may need

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[Hilly]

if a natural lifter i would be aiming for 4-6lb per month if looking to hold onto as much tissue as possible – so between 1-1.5lb per week. Depending on how much fat you hold and how much muscle is there some may get away with a little more than this

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[Hilly]

Hey Danny – the forum is Currently going through a huge update that will when finalised fix all of these issues

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[Hilly]

based on all of this and the current set up I would be inclined to drop the Tren for 200mg primo to lower E2 into the show.

I would be hard pushed to see why being on 1700kcal at this low dose of test is the cause for water retention mind but either way this will help.

personally I would also bring in 20mg Var pre training days –

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[Hilly]

Wed – another poor night sleep due to little miss.

Cardio done
All meals in

One again I didnt feel great this morning on wake – it really must be sleep related as its always the earlier part of the week when I have little miss.

Legs wasn’t ideal due to feeling shitty but wasn’t a wasted session either.

lay ham curls – x 8, x 15F with a drop set into partials – up in reps here
Extensions – x 8, x 8, x 11f with a drop set into partials – down a rep here
smith squats – x 8, x 8, x 9F – down 1 rep here – I then went to do a back off set and my left knee hurt on rep 2 so left it here.
Adjusted the session to protect the knee and the fact I was feeling shitty at this point
leg press machine feet high and close – x 24F
Seated ham curl – x 8, x 19F

Seated calf – RP – x 13F/F/F

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[Hilly]

I would have the following as your essentials:

Oh Mega Pharma Pro, Love Heart, Heart Care, Vital Support, D3&K2, Cure Coming, Join In, Creatine.

In addition to these I would have a decent multi vit/min or Greens Powder with added nutrients such as Veggie-Might or Greens Superfood.

could not agree more with this.

For all of my clients that use any form of AAS I always recommend – TBJP vital support, love heart and heart care along with omega pro and vitamin d3.

these for me are staples in terms of health supplements.

I am also a huge fan of the TBJP greens superfood.

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with J – dont rush it as what you are doing currently is working extremely well.

Just keep getting bigger and better every were.

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[Hilly]

Personally i without knowing much about you but the above I would be doing to start

300mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast.

Asses at weeks 6-8 – get bloods done to see were you hormones are on these ratio’s – how you feel, how progress is in the gym and visually and how performance is and then decide if you need to tweak things, if you want/need to bump up the total dose or not and go from there

Also one last question, I’m planning on doing a pct after.

Let’s say it take me 30 weeks before I’m off off.

Would hcg taken 250iu a week throughout the cycle be enough to jump start pct. Or do I spend the extra $200 and make it 500iu a week

Or:

Is it just best to take hcg right after last pin in larger doses [/quote]
Its almost impossible to say what is best – for most people just taking a larger dose PWO always brings them back on line.

IMO HCG use during cycle is more cosmetic and will help retain testicular size however there is then no debate really it will in some form aid in recovery but IME it is not needed.

Either way tho you will need a larger dose still post cycle

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[Hilly]

Tuesday – Weight not taken and cardio not done – was up twice wth Arilena and then she was up at 5:30. I also didnt get till bed till 12 so very poor night sleep.

Soft play for 3-4 hours this morning then Arilena napped and I worked then off swimming.

all meals in, im defo getting to bed early tonight

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[Hilly]

What are you wanting to use it for?

I ruptured my patella tendon and had to get a hamstring graft last year, It’s still swelling now and I’m trying to grow back the size it lost

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the oral IMO wont do much of anything for this and you need to be injecting it

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[Hilly]

Yup, fully agree with J and Echo what Nate says to – I dont ever see this type of read from this dose of testosterone

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