[Hilly]

What are you wanting to use it for?

I ruptured my patella tendon and had to get a hamstring graft last year, It’s still swelling now and I’m trying to grow back the size it lost

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the oral IMO wont do much of anything for this and you need to be injecting it

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[Hilly]

Yup, fully agree with J and Echo what Nate says to – I dont ever see this type of read from this dose of testosterone

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Monday – No cardio am

all meals in

Trained Delts/arms/chest in lloyds – as usual not log booked

1 arm cable slide laterals – x 8, x 11F, x 8f

EZ bar curl to forehead SS with EZ bar push down – 4 x 10-15 reps – last one to failure – warm up work mainly

EZ cable curls – x 8, x 8, x 6f wth 2 drop sets
EZ OH extensions – x 8, x 8, x 10F with 2 drops

1 arm DB preacher – x 8, x 9F, x 13F
1 arm cable PD- x 8, x 13f, x 9f

Dual cable curls – x 10, x 10, x 9F
Crucifix PD – x 10, x 10, x 7F

Chest press – x 10, x 10, x 9F

PWO stairs – 10 mins

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Sunday – no cardio done as trained at 8:30 with a client –

Training was good – no log book but a very good session.

Back

Rope Pull over – 4 x10-15 reps – last one to failure
overhand pull down – x 8, x 9f, x 12F pause in contraction
T bar row – x 8, x 6F with 2 drop sets
Seated cable upper back row – x 8 x 11F
1 arm HS pull down – x 12, x 10F, x 15F -really focusing on the left side lat which is the side with the connection issue
V cable row – x 20f, x 12F

All meals in – on we go

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Hey hey

what is the current goal?
does 4000kcal cause you to maintain weight or gain/lose?
protein i would want set at 1.25g per lb of body weight as a minimum.
then its about setting the other macros up based on what you feel best on

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Hi guys, thanks for all the replies. Done a bit of research last night and hyperthyroidism can apparently give you itchy, irritable skin and sometimes break out into hives. The sources weren’t the most reliable though it was just random webpages

Also no GH my cycle is

150 T

250M

50 anavar pre

25mcg T3

100mcg T4

80mcg Clen

I would simply pull the t4 if this seems to be the cause based on previous use and see if it goes away

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Sat -Cardio done walking outside.

All meals will be in. Another rest day as I am training with a client 2moro early instead

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Friday – cardio done
missed 1 meal as i was away staying in a lodge last night.

Rest day Friday

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TBH this is not something i have come across so hopefully some one else has

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Thurs – weight 220lb so a spike back up here.

Cardio done
bloods done
Busy work day
Trained legs with a client – was in UF but didnt log book anything.

Everything was done working up in sets of 8 to a failure set.

lay ham curls – x 8, x 7F with a drop set
Extensions – x 8, x 9F with a drop set
smith squats – x 8, x 10F –
Hip press – x 8, x 13F
Seated ham curls – x 8, x 9f with a drop set
Adductor – x 8, x 12F with a drop set.

Lots of work with my client on his form etc so the session was well spaced out and strength was very good

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I’ve just had one done, Pall Mall medical in Warrington, they have a clinic in Manchester also, no referral £395

awesome -thank you very much for this

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I also agree – it really seems as you need some one to guide you through all of this. If your looking at coaching other people then you need to be a walking example and at the moment it sounds like you are not bud

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so basically you just need to look at managing E2 correctly and that for most is difficult with a Test and deca cycle if your prone to issues. Are you open to other drug options – what are the goals.

If you want to use Deca – then potentially you could look at running 300mg test, 150mg Deca and 200mg primo or 150mg EQ – the primo or Eq would be there to control E2

However for those sensitive to gyno issues I tend to avoid deca unless advanced people and favour something like 3-400mg test and maybe 200mg primo – then assessing bloods and how the gyno may feel at week 5-6 and adapting from there

i am open to adding primo into the cycle, if i was to run 300mg test, 150mg Deca and 200mg primo a week how would you structure the jabs?

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I always recommend Mon/Wed/Fri initially – slit the dose equally over those 3 injects

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So a few things to confirm for me.

The water retention as it stands now has been like this from the initial weeks of the cycle – so when you added the AI in there was no change to water retention? As if the issue was high E2 and the Adex has then crashed our E2 you would for sure have seen a huge drop in water retention – so it seems to me High E2 was not the issue.

Based on the fact you have literally used 2mg of Adex only over 2 weeks and your E2 is completely in the gutter which I have never seen off so little adex im going to guess your E2 wasn’t raised in the first place and that was never the issue.

have you tried removing the GH and seeing if the water drops off – are you taking pharaoh or generic GH and how are you dosing it? All in 1 dose?

As chines GH can for some cause big amounts of fluid retention so I would be more inclined to think its this based on my notes below.

What is very to me is your taking 500mg test which would in almost all cased send E2 higher and on top of this HCG at 500iu twice a week which in almost all cased spike e2. Yes a pretty small amount of Adex has completed crashed your E2. This is a first ive ever seen a response like this happen personally – this would potentially indicate you dont aromatise alot at all and defo dont need potentially anything t control E2.

ideally for me I would.

Drop the adex out – leave all else as is
I personally do feel 250iu HCG twice a week is enough.
I would drop the GH out.

See if the water retention goes.

Retest bloods in 4-5 weeks and see were your E2 is without the Adex in play so you can better design your cycles in the future. You can then look as Kuba suggests to use primo or mast to better manage E2 but if you drop the Adex out now and add one of those in your creating a bigger yo yo effect ad have no clue what is doing what IMO.

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Wed – cardio done at 8am after taking Arilena nursery. -she slept great and all night in her own bed which was a bonus however woke just after me at 5:40 so didnt get cardio done on wake hence done at 8am.

All meals in.

Switched legs around as booked some bloods in with the place at UF durham – moved my whole day around to get them done at 5pm and then train delts/chest – only to turn up and the girl to say she had just done her course and wasn’t great at doing them yet – great stuff – 3 attempts later and no luck – so waste of time that was.

Going back 2moro pre legs to try again with a different girl but this means they are not after a rest day so will be a tad skewed.

session was random as UF was busy and I was in a mood lol so not really worth noting –

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