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agree with all of the above – 4 days makes perfect sense here as it runs in line with the work trip and should be ample to increase recovery and drop fatigue

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tuesday – Weight 218.5lb – so this has dropped back off annoyingly – food has been bang on with increased amounts to.

Rest day today – no cardio done as I have been on my feet all day today at a kids park/fairy thing with Arilena and 2 of her little friends which meant they were taking turns on my shoulders for most of the day lol. So output has been real high –

All meals in –

Feel a little shitty today – I am booking full bloods in soon – I may bring this cycle to an end and move to a cruise as I just see to be spinning my wheels a little for some reason.

I seem to always feel a little shitty or alot of the time.
Weight just wont move up.
Libido seems to yo yo allot with some ED issues that are doing my head in every now and again –

Strength and training in general is great however and the look is pretty dam good to. Cycle length so far is around 16 weeks – will asses once bloods are done

Legs 2moro

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I would dose it all pre bed personally for sure

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Monday. No cardio as usual. Arilena slept better and in her own bed n was up at 5:30

All meals in
Trained arms with a little delts / chest / calf’s

Seated toe press – x8, x 12f, x 11f- x 19f

1 arm cable side lateral – x 10, x 8, x 9F , x 16f

EZ curl to forehead ss EZ bar push down – 4 x 12-15 – last to failure

Ez cable curl – x 8, x 6f with 2 drops
Ez OH extension – x8, x9f with 2 drops

Seated DB curl – x 8, x 11f, x 8f
1 arm tri PD – x 8, x12f, x 8f

EZ 21’s x 2 sets
Push down 21,s x 2 sets

Chest press – 3 x 10-12. All stopping 1 rep shy failure

Very good workout today in all
Aspects

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Personally i without knowing much about you but the above I would be doing to start

300mg test,
200mg primo
200mg mast.

Asses at weeks 6-8 – get bloods done to see were you hormones are on these ratio’s – how you feel, how progress is in the gym and visually and how performance is and then decide if you need to tweak things, if you want/need to bump up the total dose or not and go from there

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Sunday – No cardio done as I was at a kids festival today with Arilena so new output would be very high

Steps have been around 15k and a good 5k of them have been carrying Arilena in the sun lol –

all meals in –

Rest day so no training –

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Pwo snaps from today

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Did the search but couldn’t found a video specific addressed to weaknesses.

But I think the added picture above shows how to made.

Bicep (Iso)

Tricep (Push, adds chest)

Chest

Shoulders

So i also think of maybe switch to Full Body again on the cut. But that is not set in stone for me now. But Jordan has hammered in IG that Full Body would be suitable for most, but most wouldn’t follow this advice. I will decide this later. U/L/FB works. But we won’t leave something on the table.

Another thing, how much do you guys think a shoulder press builds lateral delts? Just based on anatomy It won’t be that much, will it?

shoulder press will without a doubt build big shoulders – However it is not a must if you have an issue doing them but for me I would always have a shoulder press and side lateral In all programs unless like myself some one has an injury which means they cant do them

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so basically you just need to look at managing E2 correctly and that for most is difficult with a Test and deca cycle if your prone to issues. Are you open to other drug options – what are the goals.

If you want to use Deca – then potentially you could look at running 300mg test, 150mg Deca and 200mg primo or 150mg EQ – the primo or Eq would be there to control E2

However for those sensitive to gyno issues I tend to avoid deca unless advanced people and favour something like 3-400mg test and maybe 200mg primo – then assessing bloods and how the gyno may feel at week 5-6 and adapting from there

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Sat – Weight 221lb – some of this increase will be from the Deep tissue I had yesterday – 2lb is usually the normal for me,.

Cardio done on wake
Busy work day
getting house ready and food shop done for Arilena coming 2moro. We are off to adventure valley festival for the day.

Trained back with a client today and was a good session – Didnt log book it but strength seemed pretty good.

Rope Pull over – 4 x 10-15 reps -last set to failure
Overhand pull down – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 13F with a 1 second hold in contraction
Chest supported row – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 15F
Seated upper back row – x 8, x 8, x 9F
neutrall grip pull down – x 8, x 15F
V grip rows – x 15F, x 11F

Shrugs – 3 x 12-15 reps – last one to failure

1 leg toe press – x 12, x 12, x 15F, x 20f

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when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]

it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho [/quote]

Ya on another forum there’s a handful of people claiming this but who knows if that’s factual. I was doing subq because the doctor at my new clinic said it would be easier on my hematocrit but I’ve never heard that before either

Does NPP/deca have any effect on e2 in terms of regulation/lowering, or is that more so Primo/Mast. I’m able to get Deca from them fairly easily.

Ya my plan was to pull back to 140mg the next few weeks and run the prescribed Anastrozole (.25mg 1x per week) get blood work done which I’m due for anyway and go from there [/quote]

Npp/deca will increase E2 not pull it down bud [/quote]

Good to know, I’ll stay away for now until I get this figured out. I’m taking the clinic recommended amount of Anastrozole plus 400mg of DIM a day (200 am/pm) is there anything else you would recommend supplement or strategy wise to manage E2?

Injection frequency is the obvious one but maybe there’s more that I’m not aware of [/quote]

Primo would be my go to and what I use with clients during cruise doses/TRt doses etc [/quote]

Ya I used primo on prep and loved everything about it other than the PIP. Is there a specific ratio you look for in terms of test to primo? Maybe half of the dose of test?[/quote]

the ratio is the one that is specific to you and works best for you bud – you need to find this out as it is different for all – [/quote]

For sure man I’ll give it a go once I feel like all the issues are behind me. Thanks for all the advice very appreciated![/quote]

my pleasure buddy – its all about getting blood work done and finding the set up that works best for you. Once you have this information you can then use these ratios moving forward [/quote]

Absolutely that’s a priority for me. I’m actually due I postponed it because I wasn’t taking my shots and was on the nolvadex. I’ve been back on for about 5-6 days, if I do labs next week will everything come back normal?[/quote]
i would want a solid 3 weeks run with consistent jabs if i wanted the most accurate blood work

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Yeh as Kam says – its very hard for us to say – you will only know if you do it. I wouldn’t be advising a client to do so but if your only running it for 2 weeks in reality your not going to risk loosing much of any muscle in that time IMO

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I would run 3 back to back higher carb days – see if this refuels things post illness and helps improve sessions.

If not then you may need a weeks diet break as Kuba says but this may sort things quicker allowing you to push back into a deficit pre holiday

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Friday – weight 218.5lb – little bump but this is post legs.

Cardio done
Rest day today and very busy work day.
Deep tissue on glutes and traps.

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i would go 500mcg into the quad muscle of the injured side

Simply google for needles.

biolabs or UK-muscle for BPC157 – I would likely go biolabs currently

Yes it needs to be mixed – so just work this out – 5000mcg – add in 2ml – which is 200iu water

it needs to be kept in the fridge once mixed

That’s great Peter, appreciate it, have a starting point now! Many thanks

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my pleasure buddy :))

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