[Hilly]

when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]

it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho [/quote]

Ya on another forum there’s a handful of people claiming this but who knows if that’s factual. I was doing subq because the doctor at my new clinic said it would be easier on my hematocrit but I’ve never heard that before either

Does NPP/deca have any effect on e2 in terms of regulation/lowering, or is that more so Primo/Mast. I’m able to get Deca from them fairly easily.

Ya my plan was to pull back to 140mg the next few weeks and run the prescribed Anastrozole (.25mg 1x per week) get blood work done which I’m due for anyway and go from there [/quote]

Npp/deca will increase E2 not pull it down bud [/quote]

Good to know, I’ll stay away for now until I get this figured out. I’m taking the clinic recommended amount of Anastrozole plus 400mg of DIM a day (200 am/pm) is there anything else you would recommend supplement or strategy wise to manage E2?

Injection frequency is the obvious one but maybe there’s more that I’m not aware of [/quote]

Primo would be my go to and what I use with clients during cruise doses/TRt doses etc [/quote]

Ya I used primo on prep and loved everything about it other than the PIP. Is there a specific ratio you look for in terms of test to primo? Maybe half of the dose of test?[/quote]

the ratio is the one that is specific to you and works best for you bud – you need to find this out as it is different for all – [/quote]

For sure man I’ll give it a go once I feel like all the issues are behind me. Thanks for all the advice very appreciated![/quote]
my pleasure buddy – its all about getting blood work done and finding the set up that works best for you. Once you have this information you can then use these ratios moving forward

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[Hilly]

Did libido go before you started the taper down?

the Pct should rectify things once you get your natural test levels back to normal yes

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Hey Man! Much thanks for taking the time to reply back.

Firstly, i am not payed as I mentioned he is a friend. I have already practiced before as mentioned for every high day weve experimented everything and found that on the 3rd day after his high day thats when he would look the leanest, sharpest and also loaded. the questions I shared at the top is for my own growth and understanding. I am still in the process of learning various things which is why I dont charge yet unless i have more experienced. I have already asked countless people I know so I can understand how the do things. Every coach has a different way to go about and I intend to have some information from everyone as a tool I could use someday in the future. Please consider the questions generic for knowledge purpose only.

this is my very point tho – there is nothing generic about a peak week – its almost impossible for us to give advice here as its all based on learning how this client responds to the work you do during prep – that is what dictates how you run into peak week.

Then its his response daily to what you are doing that then dictates how you make any changes to the process.

so its still up to you to do the testing and see what works for him which is why I said if you have 2 weeks do a trial – I literally run a complete peak week trial with clients up to even a mock show day most of the time with a mock stage time -so I can asses exactly what we did and what worked and what may be better and then adapt things based on this feedback.

For me this is always the best course of action especially if you have not done this before or not done alot of it – this is were you learn how that client responds and what you find yourself works best

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Cycle update –

Test now up to 600mg from 400mg
EQ still 300mg
Mast still 300mg
DHB still 200mg

Total load – 1400mg –

GH still 3.6iu Pharma pre bed

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Thurs – No hiccups thank god – sleep was better
Weight – 217lb
Cardio done
All meals in

Trained legs with a mate of mine and was a very good sessions – joints/tendons also feel better with the bump in test.

Session

Seated ham curl – x8, x 11F, x 16F – up in reps
Extensions – x 8, x 8, x 16F – up in weight
Leg press – x 8, x 8, x 12f – up in reps
1 leg hip press – x8, x 12F. – up in reps finally after being stuck for 3 weeks getting 11
1 leg ham curl – x 8, x 14F -same here – I am going to reset form
Adductor – x 15, x 21F

Very good session – all felt great with no niggles or issues.

Rest day 2moro

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[Hilly]

when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]

it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho [/quote]

Ya on another forum there’s a handful of people claiming this but who knows if that’s factual. I was doing subq because the doctor at my new clinic said it would be easier on my hematocrit but I’ve never heard that before either

Does NPP/deca have any effect on e2 in terms of regulation/lowering, or is that more so Primo/Mast. I’m able to get Deca from them fairly easily.

Ya my plan was to pull back to 140mg the next few weeks and run the prescribed Anastrozole (.25mg 1x per week) get blood work done which I’m due for anyway and go from there [/quote]

Npp/deca will increase E2 not pull it down bud [/quote]

Good to know, I’ll stay away for now until I get this figured out. I’m taking the clinic recommended amount of Anastrozole plus 400mg of DIM a day (200 am/pm) is there anything else you would recommend supplement or strategy wise to manage E2?

Injection frequency is the obvious one but maybe there’s more that I’m not aware of [/quote]

Primo would be my go to and what I use with clients during cruise doses/TRt doses etc [/quote]

Ya I used primo on prep and loved everything about it other than the PIP. Is there a specific ratio you look for in terms of test to primo? Maybe half of the dose of test?[/quote]
the ratio is the one that is specific to you and works best for you bud – you need to find this out as it is different for all –

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[Hilly]

i would go 500mcg into the quad muscle of the injured side

Simply google for needles.
biolabs or UK-muscle for BPC157 – I would likely go biolabs currently
Yes it needs to be mixed – so just work this out – 5000mcg – add in 2ml – which is 200iu water
it needs to be kept in the fridge once mixed

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[Hilly]

Ive tried it once – taste and smell put me off for life – it didnt taste bad was just a funky texture etc and smelt awful so was a big NO from me

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Im concerned your guiding some one in to a show and asking if there is any point in some of this stuff TBh.

Yes at least 75% of the time water manipulation to some extent brings about a better look – so a big point.

Sodium manipulation – 90% of the time I am not a fan of this as it can ruin a physique much quicker than it can improve one –

determining a fat load and carb load amount would come from your data during prep – when you did practices upping fats did it improve he look – when you did trial loads / refers how many carbs did you use.

When you did some water manipulation during your trial loads/peak week plan did you not gather all of this information ? If you did not then there is your major mistake.

As none of us can really help you now – its going to come down to what you have learned of the clients body so far and then how good your eye is based on experience etc day to day –

You should be able to gauge the look from day to based on how it changes throughout the day – what the weight does from Am to PM day to day and how it moves from the weigh in weight –

Thank you for your reply Hilly!

Yes i have tried prior refeeds. i have tried 650 carbs, 750, 850 and I also tried 800 + a cheatmeal. he would always look sharper the the day after next. So thursday refeed, saturday looks full and pumped friday, not really. I didnt notice any changes with the cheatmeal since it was fat loaded. the normal structure we ran was very very low fat two days after hed look perfect. we are 2 weeks out now he is alot leaner compared to his last show with another coach. he was this lean 3 days out last show so we have plently of wiggle room.

I understand my questions seem abit odd but we didnt get much practice as he wasnt lean enough back then and the timeline was short. For some reason I am unable to upload the pictures here. Am I missing something?

[/quote]
So if you have 2 weeks now then you have time to learn this stuff.

Why not try a high day wit a slight water taper – see how he looks – then asses based on this if you run another high day or medium day – keep fluid the same or pull water again?

make day 3 a mock show day and take pics every 90 minutes while you taper in food and water – Assess the look and what happens.

Its your job to do this shit so you know exactly what you need to do come show time – not ask us as we cant do this with your client and learn what works best for him.

thats what he is paying you for

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[Hilly]

If you are only taking 450mg test and nothing else then defo do not remove it.

I would likely taper down to 250-300mg and move to daily injections if not doing so already

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sleep wasnt great – hiccups to start stopped me getting to sleep. Then Arilena woke at 1am and 3am – then I think my hiccups were stopping her sleeping and she then wet the bed so I had to get up at 5:20 and wash the sheets and change the bed. Far from ideal lol.

Cardio was still done once little miss was taken to nursery

All meals in – I am still dealing with this hiccup issue which I think may be caused from Acid but I have 0 idea why TBH – it just makes no sense but has been brutal today as well – it stopped this morning and then restarted.

then stopped and then restarted for the gym which was very bloody annoying.

Anyway we still had a decent enough session was just very uncomfortable.

Cable Y raises – x 8, x 11F , x 14f – first set same, second set increase in reps
Cable rear delfts – x 8, 2 x 10-15F
Seated Db laterals – x 8, x 11F, x 14F -both same reps – I was struggling to breath here due to hiccups lol
Seated DB front raise done together not 1 armed – x 8, x 13F, x 11F – up in reps first set
Seated Db laterals – done left arm then right arm with no reps – 10/8/6/3Fn

Chest was all over due to people being on kit I need – was ok and strength was decent but didnt log book.

Cable cross over – x 10, 2 x 12-15F
Dips – x 8, 2 x 12-16F
Machine press – 2 x 8-12F

1 leg toe press – x 20, x 20f, x 15f, x 12F –
2 leg toe press – 2 x 25 reps

10 minutes on stairs PWO

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[Hilly]

when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]

it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho [/quote]

Ya on another forum there’s a handful of people claiming this but who knows if that’s factual. I was doing subq because the doctor at my new clinic said it would be easier on my hematocrit but I’ve never heard that before either

Does NPP/deca have any effect on e2 in terms of regulation/lowering, or is that more so Primo/Mast. I’m able to get Deca from them fairly easily.

Ya my plan was to pull back to 140mg the next few weeks and run the prescribed Anastrozole (.25mg 1x per week) get blood work done which I’m due for anyway and go from there [/quote]

Npp/deca will increase E2 not pull it down bud [/quote]

Good to know, I’ll stay away for now until I get this figured out. I’m taking the clinic recommended amount of Anastrozole plus 400mg of DIM a day (200 am/pm) is there anything else you would recommend supplement or strategy wise to manage E2?

Injection frequency is the obvious one but maybe there’s more that I’m not aware of [/quote]
Primo would be my go to and what I use with clients during cruise doses/TRt doses etc

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Very likely due to hormones being out of wack but impossible to say without bloods as the others have said

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Im concerned your guiding some one in to a show and asking if there is any point in some of this stuff TBh.

Yes at least 75% of the time water manipulation to some extent brings about a better look – so a big point.

Sodium manipulation – 90% of the time I am not a fan of this as it can ruin a physique much quicker than it can improve one –

determining a fat load and carb load amount would come from your data during prep – when you did practices upping fats did it improve he look – when you did trial loads / refers how many carbs did you use.

When you did some water manipulation during your trial loads/peak week plan did you not gather all of this information ? If you did not then there is your major mistake.

As none of us can really help you now – its going to come down to what you have learned of the clients body so far and then how good your eye is based on experience etc day to day –

You should be able to gauge the look from day to based on how it changes throughout the day – what the weight does from Am to PM day to day and how it moves from the weigh in weight –

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This is a fast track way to start some serious virilisation issues and ruin a female for life IMO.

Ridiculous /utter stupidity / mad

Cant really think of any better way to respond lolol

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