[Hilly]

Tuesday -Rest Day

No cardio done again. -Was up during the night with Arilena just once and then she was up 5:30 – so no chance of getting any in on wake –

All meals in no issues.

seem to have developed some brutal hiccups this evening and they are totally killing me for some reason –

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when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]

it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho [/quote]

Ya on another forum there’s a handful of people claiming this but who knows if that’s factual. I was doing subq because the doctor at my new clinic said it would be easier on my hematocrit but I’ve never heard that before either

Does NPP/deca have any effect on e2 in terms of regulation/lowering, or is that more so Primo/Mast. I’m able to get Deca from them fairly easily.

Ya my plan was to pull back to 140mg the next few weeks and run the prescribed Anastrozole (.25mg 1x per week) get blood work done which I’m due for anyway and go from there [/quote]
Npp/deca will increase E2 not pull it down bud

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Monday -No cardio done

Weight 217.5lb – little drop from missed meals due to stomach issues at weekend.

Training was good.

Seated Db laterals – 3 x 12-15 reps – all to failure

Rope curl to forehead SS with Rope PD – 4 x 12-15 reps – last one to failure
EZ cable curl – x 8, x 8, x 7F with 2 drop sets
OH Ez bar tri extensions – x 8, x 8, x 10F with 2 drop sets
Dual cable curl – x 8, x 8, x 9F
cricifix PD – x 8, x8, x 8F

Chest press – x 12, x 12, x 9F rest paused x 5/3

Ab crunches – 4 x 20 reps

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Hey bud hope you’re well. How has your experience been with DHB so far? Do you think you’ll escalate this or keep it at 200?

Im very impressed, its defo keeping my body comp better and overall more sensitive in terms of insulin and how other drugs are working I feel.

I am very impressed and see no need to escalate at all tbh

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when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

Yes so when I was on 700mg I was on probably about 300 test 300 primo and then some anavar, so primo may have balanced out the test. When I did the offseason push up it was just 200 test 100 NPP, unsure if NPP does much to control e2.

I’m not using HCG, I just resumed shots yesterday and began the .25mg of the anastrozole. The syringes from the clinic are prefilled, if you think it’s better I can start at 140 a week in 2 shots, or just hop back onto the 3 shots/210mg.

I’m also taking dim 400mg per day (200 am 200 pm). Do you think I should go back to IM, or do you think subq is the way to go? I never had issues in the past when I did IM shots that’s why I’m correlating my issue to the subq shots but I could be totally wrong [/quote]
it makes no sense to me at all that subq would make E2 worse – I have not seen this in my own blood work or others – it doesnt get any lower or higher IME.

The only thing I can think of its due to you taking more total test – so maybe pull back.

Bloods are the only way to truly check tho

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Sunday – No cardio done as I trained earlier

Stomach felt better today – Trained at lloyds so I had time to work and get sorted before I got Arilena back at lunch time.

Cable pull over. – 4 x 10-15 reps
Overhand pull down – x 8, x 10F – up in reps from last time I did this here
1 arm HS pull down – x 8, x 9F, x 12F
1 arm HS row – x 8, x 8, x 7F
Seated upper back row – x 8, x 9F with a trip drop set

Abs – 4 x 20 crunches

in and out in 1 hours.

Any tendons are defo still sore due to low E2 there is no doubt.

cycle will change and adjust from this week.

Test to 600mg
Eq will stay at 300mg
DHB at 200mg
Mast at 300mg – 1400mg total as I keep pushing up.

food layout is the same – T day rice portions are now 250g x 4 – rest days are 200g x 4
Meal 1 – 100g COR both days
PWO – 80g carb powder up from 40g

Cardio still being done as often as I can 20-25 minutes fasted – minimum 5 times a week – PWO cardio still being done 3 x a week – 10 minutes on stairs

GH still 3.6iu Pharma pre bed

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Hello peter if you want the retir from competing and maintain muscle and stay healthy waht adrogen load and drug choise and exercice And diet will be(for you) is best 200 test 200 primo or 400test if you can tolerat?

Saturday – weight 216lb

No cardio done

Stomach does not feel great at all

decided to rest and will train first thing 2moro

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Hello buddy – if I was purely focused on health and maintaining muscle mass I would likely run 200mg test split daily subq and just enough primo to keep E2 in top end of range –

Training would be 4 days per week –

Diet would be – 300g protein , fats around 50 and the rest with carbs were ever I wanted them that day – I could maintain a solid lean 210lb like this no issues as I did so earlier in the year with ease

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when you were on cycle before with a 700mg total load were there other things in there that control E2 – EQ/primo/mast?

If you have increased test from 140-150 to 210mg then you may well just of pushed E2 to high. The daily jabs subq may be giving you a higher total testosterone also which could be giving you higher E2 reads

have they got you using hog?

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yes it will be

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Pre prep for me is making sure some one is in the best place possible to prep.

Making sure health markers are all great
digestion is in the best spot possible
Food is as high as it can be
Body composition is in the best spot possible for that individual

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Saturday – weight 216lb

No cardio done
Stomach does not feel great at all

decided to rest and will train first thing 2moro

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Friday – Weight 218lb – Rest day

Cardio done
Missed 1 meal

Started some Anti B from the docs for my eye issue instead of more surgery and they have skewed my digestion instantly – she did say this may happen and it will ease off

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First of all, thank you so much for your help!!

The intention was not doing 5 month cruising, but he had a problem with his dealer so had to wait 3 months more than expected.

After the bulking cycle previously mentioned, came the 5 months cruising, and after that, he has been using 750 testo, 600 masteron and the oxy/win for 9 weeks now. (now he is with 750 testo, 600 masteron, 30 mg win)

81 kg is his current weight after those 9 weeks cutting. Weight before starting the cut was around 86.5-87 kg.

If using long acting deca instead of NPP, which would be the equivalent dosage?

Oxy suppresses his appetite a lot, that’s why stopped using it. Thought about using oxa instead bc of this you mentioned.

After reviewing blood work, which would be the maximum dosage you would jump up to?

Highest dosages used were the ones i explained up there in the last bulking cycle, without finding any sides in fact and blood work was great: 750 test cipio, 200 test propionate, 900 Nandrolone,7 ui novorapid

Thank you so much again for your help!!!

Those are some Decent numbers for the cycle there – was 81kg his start weight or is that were he is now?

Its so hard for us to give advice like this when we dont know alot about the person.

If we look at it purely from drugs and wanting to build the most amount of muscle then nandrolone is pretty up there as long as we can handle sides etc.

so I would start the cycle with

5-600mg test

300mg NPP

300mg EQ – if dont get on with Eq then possibly primo or a mix of primo and mast at 500mg.

I would run this for 8 weeks and then asses and taper up based on feel, results and blood work. I personally would not jump right into the bigger doses after 5 months cruising as you will get growth from this without a doubt.

I do prefer NPP – personally myself and others feel they get less sides than running normal deca but others do not.

I wouldn’t bother with the orals initially and would potentially save these for sticking points, escalations later on based on progress and ability to eat and would favour something like Oxy at 25-50mg pre gym if it doesnt effect hunger or anavar at 25-50mg pre gym.

Again tho this all depends on how well he handles these drugs, doses and ability to eat and train.

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My pleasure buddy

so Deca or NPP – dose would be like for like

Max dosage – as much as is needed based on progress Tbh – in reality based on weight I feel the doses I mentioned should be sufficient Tbh but I dont know what he looks like.

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Thurs – weight 218.5lb – post legs and free meal which was just chicken/rice, some chips and a chicken wrap

Cardio done

all meals in

Trained delts/chest with a client so a little longer session than usual – strength was good as were pumps etc.

Cable y raise – x 8, x 11F, x 14F – up in reps
Cable rear delts – x 8, x 10F, x 13F
Seated Db lateral -x 8. X 11f, x 13F -up in rep first set and same second
Seated Db front raise – x 8, x 12F, x 10F – same weight in both sets
Seated Db lateral – 4 sets of 8 with 8 second rest never letting go DB

Pec dec – x 8, x 13f, x 11F – similar reps
machine press – x 8, x 11f, x 9F – up in reps
Dip machine – x 8, x 16F, x 13f – up in reps

toe press – 3 x 8-12 reps – all to failure

Going to do a full check in for myself 2moro and will post updated food and drugs

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