[Hilly]

Copied from your other thread

You can run it all the time – you can take steroids all the time. You can do what ever you like.

there is evidence to show in diabetics that over time they become accustomed to the insulin dose and thus constantly require more for the same dose – so this would be the only potential worry but again the only research to look at this is in diabetics simply because no one else should be using insulin medically and thus you wont ever find an accurate answer

Just peoples opinions and then the job as with everything is to make your own

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[Hilly]

thanks for your response!

I measure before training when I shot the pre-wo insulin because when my BG is already low (could have different causes, e.g. more activity during the day, more stress then usual, a little more time since the last meal..) I want to know that, so then I have a little more carbs right before the workout in the pre-shake (e.g. 30g cyclic dextin) or 1-2iu less insulin, because the 80g carbs I have intra only cover the 8IU slin I shot, so when I’m before already at 65 I’m at 65 also at the end if I don’t add any more carbs (and according to stefan you shouldn’t be below 85 at all if you use slin) before.

well I figured you could for sure do that a couple of months, but why not for much longer if your insulin sensitivity stays ok – tested via HBA1c blood marker, morning BG and BG without insulin after carb meals on non-training days where I don’t use any insulin anyway? why can’t I run this all the time then, if I don’t get fat and stay insulin sensitive? When my BG in the morning and after meals is still good on non-training days, obviously my body is still producing enough insulin endougenously and sensitive enough to it, so why actually stop? I think I might open up a seperate thread for this question because I think its very interesting and I havent found an answer on this here..

You can run it all the time – you can take steroids all the time. You can do what ever you like.

there is evidence to show in diabetics that over time they become accustomed to the insulin dose and thus constantly require more for the same dose – so this would be the only potential worry but again the only research to look at this is in diabetics simply because no one else should be using insulin medically and thus you wont ever find an accurate answer

Just peoples opinions and then the job as with everything is to make your own

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[Hilly]

Saturday – Weight – 236

Cardio done

Work done

all meals in

Trained back and even in the heat was a very good session.

Cable pull overs – 4 x 10 reps – last one to failure
overhand HS pull down – x 8, x 8, x 12F, x 15F
T bar row – focusing on a full range and getting a good squeeze in the back – 3 x 10 reps – last one hitting failure
1 arm cable pull down – x 12, x 12, x 8F
Seated cable upper back x 10, x 10, x 10, x 10F
smith bent over rows – 2 x 15-20 reps – just shy off failure

Soaked and ruined after this.

home to eat then couple hours in David Lloyds spa –

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[Hilly]

Yes pretty much!

Wed/Sun PM dosing always

All bloods taken Wednesday AM

in this case to me it makes no logical sense at all TBH.

Were you using same brand of gear ?

i mean – how can you be taking less test – yet get a higher test reading? Arguably the gear could be dosed differently if different brands or batches – but then how can you be up just 3mmol testosterone but truly the E2 –

I have no idea TBH

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[Hilly]

what are you eating pre legs?

what are you taking in terms of intra workout nutrition – you may be experiencing low BG

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[Hilly]

my initial opinion I why all the BG measuring before hand?

Your taking your BG 2-3 hours before and adding in carbs based on this plus a meal? I just dont see why you would do this or what its aiding you in.

The way I have always seen it.

Your eating your normal meals up to training – so your BG will be fine, there is nothin to cause you to go hypo – so no concerns here.

you eat your pre workout meal that should be 1.5-2 hours pre gym p- contains a good amount of carbs and protein and a little fat.

You then take your slin as you state 20-30 minutes pre gym. From here you do your intra workout nutrition that you should of worked out contains enough carbs to see you through the workout – this may be more or less based on your leg session volume/length of time etc etc.

you then finish training – have your two meal/shake which should be high in easy to digest carbs/protein and super low in fat ideally. You would then dose your PWO insulin here.

Depending on your body response and size of meals you would then eat 60-120 minutes later.

You then move on with your day. This is how I believe every one does it, has always done it and there should be no worries about BG pre workout because you taking enough carbs to cover the workout. Your also actually working out so if your BG was high then this would bring it down plus the insulin. – if it is low well your drinking carbs to bring it back up.

The only issue would be if you under shot the intra workout carbs but this should never happen as you should of worked out how much you need and carry extra in your gym bag just incase.

So the approach seems fine and normal, just a little over complicated to me.

in terms of how long can you run this – if your only running it like this then technically for pretty long periods of time – for instance the whole cycle with no issues from my understanding –

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[Hilly]

Friday – Rest day

Cardio done

Super. Busy work day

all meals in

Spa for an hour or 2 this evening – sauna, cold pool, spa pools etc etc. as nice.

training back 2moro

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[Hilly]

Are you following the exact same dosing schedule and then taking the bloods on the exact same day and time apart from the injections

For instance

always dosing Mon/Wed/Fri

Then always taking blood on Monday morning

if not then there will be lots of potential variance and these bloods wont tell you much

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[Hilly]

Run 100iu of HCG daily to maintain fsh and lh. If looking to be fertile you can increase to 200iu daily. You may need an ai due to the estrogen at this dose depending on your individual reaction.

Is this something you would have to take for the entirety of your time on PEDS, or would a short cycle of the HCG & AI work to maintain FSH & IH. Especially as I’m cruising not on a realt cycle

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if you are looking to maintain testicular size then you need to run the HCG al the time

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[Hilly]

another 5lb i would say and no more as you are pretty light in terms of muscle mass and I would be focusing all my time on gaining muscle and not worrying about getting lean lean in truth

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[Hilly]

to me you look lean enough to grow as you are – the pic quality isn’t great however.

Potentially drop a few kg till you can see all abs but you can grow from here IMO.

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[Hilly]

I am yet to note any ones blood get drastically/noticeably thicker from using EQ and I have seen alot of bloods over the years.

Check your bloods before hand.
Check them after 8-10 weeks.

if the blood has thickened then you need to let blood and avoid EQ IMO or keep the dose low low.

I would make sure to be using TBJP Vital support throughout as this will help.

I dont feel aspirin will counter act the issue at all if there was an issue

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[Hilly]

thursday – leg day today – we trained at Lloyds as it was mid way for my client/mate between his and mine.

Cardio done on wake

Busy work day –

All meals in

Training was very good – We changed things up to match the kit in there and what I know works well and what doesn’t. There was no layout per say – just focus on ruining each other.

Lay ham curls – true 3 second negative – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 7F with 2 drop sets maintaining the slow negative

Adductor – x 15, x 12, x 10, x 8F

Extensions – 3focus on controlled negative and pause in contraction squeezing hard – x 10, x 10, x 10, x 9F with 2 drop sets

Leg press – sets of 20 reps done piston style – x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20, x 20 – these were awful – the pump I had in quads was truly painful

Smith front squats with a slow negative and pause in hole – x 8, x 8, x 12 – nothing to true failure to protect my lower back

1 leg leg press – 1 x 25F

Great fun, totally ruined in a good way.

2moro is rest day and a super busy work day – will be hitting the spa on the night to sauna/steam/ice back etc etc

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[Hilly]

What does your diet look like at the mo hilly with no high days

Exactly the same as last time becky – just no high day meal plan 🙂

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thank you, so how many weeks should i wait for the tissue to fully develop before trimming down if i genuinely felt too fat

i would firstly say dont get to fat and then you wont run into these issues of feeling down bud.

Secondly there is no real time frame and you could argue its not needed but for me I do like a holding spell of 4-6 weeks – what I like clients to do is sit t the current weight but increase output a little and they tend to get better at the same weight –

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