[Hilly]

What do you mean buddy? What’s effected?

Sorry forgive my spelling English isn’t my first language!

So with me cruising on 200mg only of test cyp, then adding in the daily 100 hcg & 25 proviron to help fertility- would these doses or protocol change when I actually go back onto cycle and am running 400 + a week of test? Or it doesn’t matter and I’m safe to carry on at this dose of hcg and proviron through the cycle

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You can carry on with this dose all the time.

you run the issue of becoming desensitised to the HCG and needing a higher dose for the same effect from prolonged use

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[Hilly]

what are you eating pre legs?

what are you taking in terms of intra workout nutrition – you may be experiencing low BG

100g cor

100g frozen berries

40g whey

30g honey

Squares bar

Intra:

50g cyclic dextrin

JP Eaa (2nd sesh with this) [/quote]

Add fats to the pre workout meal – if it is a BG issue then its likely being caused by the fast acting carbs pre gym causing a insulin spike and forcing BG low [/quote]

So anything like a small serving of nut butter? [/quote]
Yes – I would be having it with all pre gym meals

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[Hilly]

Yeh im with Kuba.

So I would have a higher amount of carbs in your pre bed meal – something like oats/sourdough bread/ rice

then on wake I have clients do.

1 scoop whey or 20g EAA – with 30g carb powder and some fruit juice or a banana plus double salt and 1L water.

Then I would start sipping my usual intra shake before the gym.

the real key to training early like this is hydration.

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Anabolic pharmacist is totally legit and so is jano

Thanks both,

JP – if you get pain and swelling around the site injection of hgh could that mean, fake or high dimer profile? Mixed with pharma grade BAC water [/quote]
From my understanding this is something to do with the PH of the carrier powder an your body – it used to happen quite a bit of hygetropin back in the day and I sw this happen with the meditrope when they were very Good to.

Ive seen myself be totally fine and then a friend get a red welt from jabbing with the same stuff from the same box – Seems to only be certain people that get this.

Not 100% sure but this was the theory

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Tuesday – weight 237 – Rest day

No cardio done – As Arilena woke earlier than usual.

We went to Sea life centre in Scarborough and then to a land of make believe soft play – had a great day.

All rest day meals in –

Bloods to be done Wednesday morning then training legs

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thanks again @Jordan Peters – my reasoning behind the maintenance phase is my experience that when I’m just on TRT in a cruise I can’t build new muslce tissue after 5 years of cycling and 17 years of total training anyway, so a surplus would just result in fat gain. On the other hand I’ve also experienced substantially more muslce loss on a cut during a cruise phase, so I’m now sticking to maintanance calories when I’m cruising. So surplus/deficit I always pair with escalation of gear (would never maintain on a cycle, waste of gear), during cruising I’m lucky if I can hold the new mass and not get fat.

it sounds like your issue may be potentially using a true TRT dose that is there for normal people with normal muscle mass.

If you going to cruise and can still be healthier and make progress on a slightly higher amount then why not do so.

no different to your thinking of why ever come off insulin.

If you can have your blood markers just as good on say 200mg test and 100mg primo and are happy to use insulin all the time bar dieting phase then surely you can progress all the time and not have to sit still.

just food for thought 🙂

If one is happy to use insulin all the time with the mindset of. – its not causing me any issues then that mindset would continue into using a little higher cruise dose which I what most do – which they now call a sports TRT dose lol

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Monday – Arms.

Cardio was done on wake at 4:30Am before Arilena wakes up – 25 mins super high incline on treadmill in garage.

Worked while Arilena was at nursery for 1/2 day and trained arms.

all work done

Training – More working volume here to save tendon issues that were coming with doing more progressive stuff – all sets listed are work sets

Mobility/rehab work first

EZ bar curl to forehead SS with EZ bar push downs – 4 x 10-15 reps –

EZ bar curls – 4 x 10
OH rope – 4 x 12

Incline DB curls – 3 x 10
1 arm tricep PD – 3 x 12

1 arm machine curl – 4 x 10 – try 3 second negative
Tricep extension machine – 4 x 8-10 – true 3 second negative.

Arms were so pumped I could barely take my airpods out lol.

home to amuse Arilena all afternoon evening –

2moro is a rest day, Cardio will be done early and then taking Arilena to sea life centre as there is loads of this indoors and the weather is going to suck lol

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[Hilly]

thanks for your reply. Well the requirement for more insulin – again provided your insulin sensitivity stays well and one doesn’t get fat, so we are not talking about blowing someone up to 300pounds, just a bit of aid during bulk and to keep maintaining during cruise – just because of longer time usage can’t be that high I imagine, otherwise type 1 diabetics would have to use boatloads after 40-50 years of having the sickness right? If that is the only reason I will definitely keep the insulin (8 each pre/post on training days) in during cruise phases alongside 150mg/test + 2iu GH to keep more gains and be less catabolic for the next few years at least.
maybe someone else of the veterans on here has other reasons/safety concerns? I think this topic might interest a few people and I haven’t found a discussion on longterm continued insulin usage on here.. @Jordan Peters @hyacine @kuba1000@hotmail.co.uk @Corinne

As i said bud – the only potential concern I know of would be that – so we dont get the same response from the same dose of insulin and need more.

However as said this is only ever seen in diabetics and is likely due to the daily higher dosed usage. However it is impossible to say because they would only ever study diabetics really using insulin.

Apart from that its hard to say there would be any issues long term

However I am also pretty sure I dont know any one personally that does still use year round and take no time off.

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Free meal example was today – sourdough margarita pizza with Arilena tonight – I added to this 2 scoops TBJP Vegan protein –

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Check in update from Friday just gone.

Food and cardio stays as is
No high day still
1 cleanish free meal per week –

Mast now out – so just 350mg test
Adex down to 1/4 tab twice a week
Gh still 6iu Train days and 4iu R days

Bloods to be done Wednesday

Check in is Friday this week –

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Sunday –
Cardio done on wake – High incline treadmill at home.
Then an hour digging weeds out of the front garden.

Trained chest/delts/calfs. All sets listed are hard work sets

Standing form focused side laterals – x 12, x 12, x 12, x8F with 2 drop sets –

Incline chest press machine 3 sec negative – x 6, x6, x7F, x 11F
Seated chest press – x 10, x10, x10, x9F with 3 drop sets
Pec dec – x 15, x 15, x 15, x 14F

toe press – x 12, x 12, x 12, x 11F
1 leg toe press – 3 sets of 8-15 – no rest between legs

Decent enough session.

Then 2 hours chasing Arilena around David Lloyds – must of one 20k steps today lol.

2moro is arms

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As Hilly says you would need hcg the whole time. If you need an ai ideally aromasin

Would it be around 25mg dose of daily aromasin

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No were near that.

I would try proviron first 25mg meal 1

if you need an AI like 1/4 Adex 1-2 times a week

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blueberry muffin is the best IMO

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[Hilly]

what are you eating pre legs?

what are you taking in terms of intra workout nutrition – you may be experiencing low BG

100g cor

100g frozen berries

40g whey

30g honey

Squares bar

Intra:

50g cyclic dextrin

JP Eaa (2nd sesh with this) [/quote]
Add fats to the pre workout meal – if it is a BG issue then its likely being caused by the fast acting carbs pre gym causing a insulin spike and forcing BG low

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[Hilly]

take the liss to daily.

How much do you weigh?
were is your body fat currently
How long have you been trying to loose fat for
how accurately are you weighing out/ tracking your food

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