[Hilly]

If your goal is to ADD muscle then the scale MUST go UP.

So if its not going UP then your food needs to go UP.

If the weight is going DOWN you are clearly not eating enough – there are super strong power lifters that are light as hell – you can get stronger and not add muscle and this is the worse situation as every time you gain strength you are missing a growth potential being in a d deficit

Like the worse scenario IMO

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[Hilly]

NPP is always going to build more muscle than primo and mast – I doubt you’ll find any one that would disagree with this

However why not keep the load the same and play about with the drug mix.

So lets say we are using 1 gram total.

why not

300mg test, 300mg NPP, 400mg mast.

This would be my go to if I was looking at these drugs and the total focus being growth.

then base on how you feel running this and what bloods say you could try and shift the ratio to more NPP and less mast – potentially. However IME ratio similar to this works best as the mast does a decent job of controlling E2 but this is very person depending,

Or you could keep the ratio the same and titrate the dose up slowly.

You then have to factor in what YOU feel best on – some just dont feel good on deca – some just a little.

So I may have a client run

400mg test, 450mg mast and 150mg NPP

Or I may have a client run 300mg test, 200mg NPP and 500mg mast if they tend to Aromatise more.

If they dont get on with Deca/NPP then I would be going 500mg test and 500mg primo and assessing how they felt if growth was the total goal

This is all based on 1g total,

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[Hilly]

Sat -Weight 216lb – Was constipated yesterday and still not been properly today – possibly a veg change as I had some veg chips with Arilena for tea last night –

Good day today

worked 5am till 11 –

Trained 12-2

Garden with the girls in the sun 3-7

Little bit of work and chill now then early night as I am goosed.

Trained back today and was a pretty good session – Few tweaks to how this new routine is laid out as I continue to run through it.

Cable pull over – 3 x 10-12 reps – warm up and activation work

overhand machine pull down – 3 hard work sets – x 10, x 11F, x 10F
T bar chest supported row – 3 hard work sets – x 8, x 8F, x 7F
1 arm HS pull down – x 6F, x 12F
1 arm HS row – x 8F, x 14F
Upper back row – FST4 – 15 seconds between sets – x 8/8/8/7F
Shrugs – x 15F, x 12F

Hypers – glute focus – x10, x 10 x 9F
Glute machine – x 15, x 12F

lower back doesn’t feel great now after the hypers but see how feel 2moro – I must get this glute work in some how around my lower back issues so still playing around with what works and what doesnt.

Rep ranges were a tad off but currently im just playing with exercises layout etc and then come another 1-2 weeks ill start log booking stuff.

Rest day 2moro

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Friday – Weight 215lb – so a 3lb drop from yesterday which was post high day

T day food is up – 4000kcal – 390p, 490c, 60f so much better here.
R days still suck lol

Cardio and abs done on wake.

Very busy work day nd Arilena was up during the night so Fitbit says I got a total of 3 hours sleep – lovely.

Trained shoulders/additional chest – pump was nuts TBH.

Side lateral machine – x 12, x 10, x 11F, x 9F
Shoulder press – x 12F, x 7F, x 14F
Rear delt on pex dec – x 10, x 10, x 11F
DB seated front raise – x 11F, x 16F
Seated FST5 side laterals not letting go the DB – 10 seconds rest

Pec Dec – 10, x 10, x 12F, x 14F – all working sets
Seated chest press – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 6F, x 15F – all working sets

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[Hilly]

Hi bud, how you finding estro on the mix of drugs your currently on with no AI? Thanks

We now have 0.5mg Adex in MWF bud

feel totally fine TBH no issues at all [/quote]

Is that alongside the test/primo/mast bud [/quote]
yes

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[Hilly]

Hi bud, how you finding estro on the mix of drugs your currently on with no AI? Thanks

We now have 0.5mg Adex in MWF bud

feel totally fine TBH no issues at all [/quote]

Is that alongside the test/primo/mast bud [/quote]
Yeh

Current drugs

Test – 750
Primo – 400
Mast – 300
Var 30mg pre gym

Gh – 5.2iu T days 3.6 iu R days
Adex – 0.5mg MWF
Proviron 25mg daily
T4 100mcg

Humalog – 3iu pwo

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Potentially the cycle design is wrong and your driving E2 to low.

I mean in a growth phase 300mg test and 600mg mast makes little sense to me TBH.

Diet phase yes but not a growth phase

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Weight today – 218.5lb – so up around 4lb from high day

Rest day today]

Cardio was a power walk with weightiest vest as I cant get out to gym to do harder cardio as I take Arilena to nursery Wed and thurs as charl is on 12’s

Meals looked like

375g egg whites, 1 whole egg and 50g oats
60g protein from TBJP vegan whey
225g cooked 5% beef mince and salad
200g cooked chicken with 125g cooked jasmine rice and veg
200g cooked chicken, 150kcal from sweet potato that I made for my daughter – same kcal as the rice – I just had this with her
200g egg whites, 75g cooked turkey and 30g protein from TBJP vegan whey made into ice cream.

Yes this day still sucks lol carbs are around 120g, fats low also and protein high

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[Hilly]

Hi bud, how you finding estro on the mix of drugs your currently on with no AI? Thanks

We now have 0.5mg Adex in MWF bud

feel totally fine TBH no issues at all

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[Hilly]

Just think of any potato dish you like n cook it.

Chips – cut into wedges n lightly coat with allowed olive oil – oven or air fryer

Mash potato – then add in olive oil

Roasties – ass wedges above

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[Hilly]

I would get bloods done ASAP.

Fact is you should be seeing an increase in performance regardless of the drugs.

So imho it seems like not only could there be an issue with the AAS but your whole set up is wrong tbh.

You have a very impressive physique bud

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[Hilly]

thousands will of doubled there TRT dose- this is moving to a cycle bud

I have done both with clients – if I was trying to build muscle I would go wth doubling TRT dose

If I was cutting and more focused on the look I would add the var in.

Cheers mate! Yes that’s what I was getting at, double trt for a cycle or adding anavar in for a cycle.

Both are mild cycles but cycles none the less! Will use anavar for the cut and try double trt for the next push!

From your experiences with clients which causes more acne sides? I’m hoping anavar with trt won’t change hormones to much so acne will be mild or nothing at all?[/quote]
Adding var in will be the safer route in terms of acne issues if prone

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[Hilly]

there is no need to take a break after say 6 weeks for example.

However over time your body does seem to adapt to the insulin dose and you may become resistant in the sense of you need more and more to achieve the same effect.

The problem with discussing this is – the research that shows this is obviously only done on people with actual diabetes – not abusing the drug for our benefits.

so we cant actually say for sure in healthy people who are training, supplementing for health and eating well etc etc will run into the same issues as a diabetic.

However logically you could presume if over time diabetics need more and more then as we are all humans we may end up with a similar issue.

The difference here however is that we can simply stop and our bodies will work fine without it.

in reality though none of us should need to be running it year round as when we move to diet phase etc we are likely not going to use so you will get a break here 🙂

Thank you so much for your time brother, greatly appreciate your reply, you made it clear and understandable 👊🏽👊🏽[/quote]
My pleasure bud

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Pics from Tuesday check in and comparison from day pre show to this check in

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