[Hilly]

+ the majority of people who I’ve asked have said that ss31 is essential to run before mots – c , the basically clean the engine up , then mots -c to fuel the engine.

So confusing lol!

Sorry to be a pest guys!

Go with the majority then bud., for the tenth time you’re not seeing how we think at all.

Instead of being confused. Do the work yourself and find out what works for YOU.

Surely after the huge nightmare/ mess you have had from not listening you realise this now

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[Hilly]

I think what I did was completely overload my mitochondria and ended up with fatigue etc.

I’ve stripped things back now to compete basic , the Urolithin supplement from proforma , and mots c 1mg daily along with Reta 1mg total a week split 3 x.

Also things like coq10 has been mentioned to help with oxidative stress etc , where do you reccomend looking for that from? Vitamin c , magnesium etc I already use from your website.

Also hilly , from reading , SLU-pp I think isn’t a great option for me.

I think it’s just draining from my system, seems to be more suited for people doing a lot less expenditure rather than someone like myself doing 2 + hours endurance training a day?

Thoughts?

Not from my endurance based clients feedback.

All run pre training / fitness work and all see a boost in performance

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[Hilly]

Can I ask why you decided to run a drug focused on making you eat less and drop body fat when your focus is running performance and cardio work.

It seems like a backwards move to
Me. From what you have posted you train twice a day and need a lot of food.

You’re not going to have any insulin sensitivity issue.
Dropping fat should be no issues.

The drug brings no performance benefits for you with your goals.

I can of course see it causing issues, it’s a drug meant for overweight / obese / insulin resistant people.

It is likely your becoming to insulin sensitive n with all your endurance work running low BG all the time maybe ?

Not getting enough glycogen in and stored due to slowing of the GIT

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[Hilly]

Also fully agree with every one above. You over ate and more than likely from carbs. Simply means more water retention.

Did you keep on top of hydration and output or did this slip to

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[Hilly]

I would also go to 200g daily

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with all here especially Nathan

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[Hilly]

Proforma for myself and clients

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If blood work is all fine now then arguably you are fine to go on cycle so if 12 weeks is the only show you can do then so be it.

I would want to start cycle soon as. What do you intend to do to control E2 or do you know these doses will be totally fine ?

T3/ clen you start if and when you need to based off how much per week you need to drop from your calculations and how aggressive you need to be from the start

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[Hilly]

Monday – 15k steps – training day

Delts / chest / back. Not my usual
Session as was time restricted

Fat grip DB laterals – x 10, x8, x8, x6f with 2 drops
Cable front raises a x 12, x 12, x 8 with 2 drops Cable front

Incline chest press – x 10, x10, x 8f, x6f with 2 drops
Narrow grip press – 4 x 6 with 10 seconds rest between sets

Overhand pull down – x 10, x 10, x 7f with 1 drop
Narrow grip PD – x 8, x 8, x 9F with 1 drop
Seated upper back row Rest pause – x 12/7/3
V grip cable row – x17f

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[Hilly]

Your still not quite grasping what we keep telling you

No one truly knows the right way to do this , every one is just making it up based on literature / theory n there own experiences (a lot not even experience lol )

As we keep saying , what we do is work this stuff out for ourselves based on what makes us feel good.

I’ve not experienced any heavy leg issues or fatigue signs at all. However none of us have marathon goals and are training twice a day so have no experience in exactly what you’re trying to do.

You also decided to add in loads of these things at once against my advice both on nerd and insta and it seems have just ran into problem after problem.

So I again suggest what J has. Strip it all back , add one in at a time and make notes while you asses response.

As I said from the very very start a couple of times. Mots C and SLU would of made the most sense and been a nice gradual
Step into this.

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[Hilly]

If this works for what you are trying to achieve then it makes sense.

As you move into a deficit you have 2 options.

Simply reduce all days to some extent as the carb cycle is working.

Pull back to just 1 high day.

It simply depends on how progress goes and how performance is.

Personally I would likely pull back to 1 high day as my first move and then look to taper the other carbs down over time based on progress

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Just to clarify when you say PWO fats, do you mean pre-workout or post-workout fats?

Well if we are keeping the the pre workout fats as is and dropping pwo fats it has to be post workout 😀

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[Hilly]

For now i can mantein but in a second phase of cut i think is a good idea remove primo? But in this case i have to up the dosages of mast?

Another question.. for now 200 npp you advice me to mantein or not?

I would definitely keep primo in. You want that for E2 control and total load.

NPP – this would depend on how you look now and how the diet progresses [/quote]

Thx

So in the first step it make sense no changes in prep , only add tren and remove oxy

Abouy intra wo i use 50 hbcd now , it s good to mantein also in cut?[/quote]

i think your still not getting my point here bud.

I cant tell you what makes sense for you because I dont know anything about you.

logically I would pull NPP out and oxy out.

I would let the body have a period of a little less stress.

then potentially creep low dose tren A in.

BUT BUT this is all depending on how you look now, how far show is away and how you react to all of this in the passed and really how you react moving forward.

for most intra carbs are useful yes of course for as long as you have enough daily quota to have there[/quote]Ok thanks 🙂
And about lantus i have a doubt..
Last cutting phase i use 10ui hgh daily but i never use lantus, all go great
This year i introduce lantus in bulking and i know that now i have to reduce it while i reduce cho
But it s better if i remove completely?
I think i dont have problem with blood sugar becuase i eat less cho.
It can be a obstacole to fat loss?
Or is better mantein a minimun dosage ? [/quote]
In general I would remove it. Some keep it in ok but I know nothing about your body so can only say remove it

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[Hilly]

the obvious answer is better planning but thats not easy either we all understand this. It just comes down to looking at ways of making tasks eaiser.

Bulk cooking food.
buying pre cooked foods such as cooked chicken/micro rice/couscous which is very easy to do.
Your busy with work which is great so maybe invest some money and use a meal prep service etc or pay some one through your company to prep meals for you.

You need to sit down – look were you are slipping and find fixes for each thing.

I have my business to run, my daughter half the week on my own, my partner to spend time with, my own meals to get in and training plus helping my parents. So optimising every area is key for me and it gets done but it’s not easy.

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[Hilly]

This looks pretty good to me, I am presuming your key focus points are legs and chest with the way the workouts are laid out.

you just need to run it now and asses feedback.

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