[Hilly]

Cheers for the reply.

Cut out my red meat about 10 weeks ago.

I eat Turkey now for every meal (5 meals daily), 220 g protein in total. Rice is my go to Carb source, and extra virgin olive oil as my go to good fat source.

Because my urea levels were 15 when I first had bloods taken 8 weeks ago, I lowered my protein to try to get my urea levels more into range.

I do eat alot of pinapple and vegetables.

I have read (don’t know how true this is) that excess amounts of vitamin c (I do supplement with vit c in addition to that from food ) can enhance iron absorption? Could this be why my iron levels are increased? Should I decrease my vit c input?

Also, seen that normal ferritin levels can range between 300 – 1000 ug/l? So would 700 be in range despite classed as high on my results?

I supplement with Vital Support, Vit C, Vit B6, and Omega 3.

Cheers.

In general I don’t see numbers like this just from 1-2g vit C supplements

In reality as I said as RBC etc isn’t effected negatively there may be no cause for concern

I would personally discuss with
My GP for his opinion if this was me

As I’m not a doctor he will be able to shed more light on this and potentially run tests if needed

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[Hilly]

Have you tried the search feature
?

Huge discussion on this across lots of threads

What you enjoy is imo what matters most

Then what allows you to progress maximally with adequate recovery

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[Hilly]

Have been on this for 6 weeks now, got bloods done last week, what prompted me to go for a more moderate approach was receiving my bloods back with 137n/mol test levels which me and the coach discussed to be on the higher side

So pointless to push this high, we are drawing to a close within 2 weeks on to trt phase for 12 weeks prior to bumping test to 200 and adding in primo

Just thought realistically what is the additional test giving me, marginal gains so very pointless, when if I respond like this then the 200/200 split would yield great enough results to milk, and would be much safer bumping primo up when needed

Yes you want the most gains with minimal use as possible. Staying healthy is the number priority, I would recommend an echo once every 2 years aswell. [/quote]

Would NPP be a better option to add down the line? Obvs just 200t and 200p for now but would 100mg NPP be beneficial to stack with for off season setting?[/quote]

Yes very much so.

I am a fan of this combination with myself and clients [/quote]

No worries, will consider for down the line

If primo is unavailable as I’m still unsure of the legitimacy of my source, would mast be 2nd best in place of? If so would I dose lower than 200?[/quote]

From what i can see you already have masteron in here so there would be no adding more of it. Mast is stronger in terms of an AI effect so wth this dose of test i would be worried for most higher mast may keep estro to low [/quote]

Sorry, I was unclear would just be test + mast + NPP or alternatively test + primo + NPP, not mast and primo together[/quote]

Both would be great combinations

Personally I favour the mast in there but have had great success with both with clients [/quote]

Perfect, thank you Hilly for the help have learned a lot ?[/quote]
my pleasure bud 🙂

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Do you eat alot of red meat?
Take any iron supplements or Dessicated liversupplements etc?

These bloods would not stop me cycling personally as your RBC etc is fine.

However the body is having an issue to some extent with its iron levels – which may cause future issues if not addressed

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unfortunatly HDL takes a hit when using any AAS and for some it can be almost impossible to fix when cycling.

I would avoid the use of anavar for yourself.

Look to use

high dose Trainedbyjp omega pro. – double serving

Trainedbyjp love heart.

Make sure you have some HIT cardio in

Red yeast extract for LDL

Hi Hilly

This is my first time i have HDL like this ! Is it because of anavar?

Also the supplements im using all im taking is normal dosages maybe i need to double the dosages?

I will try to incorporate your suggestions

Thanks [/quote]

Anavar is very harsh on HDL yes [/quote]

Hi hilly

Do y recommend doubling the dosages of all health supplements? Because mostly im using general dosage. And also what is the best health supplements for lipid support?? I will by from i herb I can’t but JP supplements

Thansk[/quote]
i would certainly try this on cycle and see if it helps.

Look to the ingredients of vital support/love heart and buy the best quality versions of them you can.

Jordan/corinne designed these products specifically for what they/us felt has worked over the years and based on science.

There was huge thought and research gone into them so if you can’t get them then copy the ingredients to the best of your ability.

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Ideally I would push you a little leaner from here as long as performance is holding well.

The leaner you can get the better

Is there a visual marker you’d look for to tell me when I’m lean enough? Or just when performance starts to get rough?[/quote]
in the simplest way – Get as lean as you can before performance suffers.

The leaner you are the longer you can push for and the better you will feel and look while pushing

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Hilly / Nathan thanks, this is my last year of competing, I’ve always come off completely between cycles only running one cycle a year leading up to a show.

In your opinion would running a cycle from Feb to Sept and then doing a solid PCT get my natural levels back up and running again or do I risk permanent shut down and resorting to TRT ?

Your asking impossible questions tbh.

In my experience it won’t make any difference being in that additional time n coming off to throw other drugs in causing more of a YoYo effect is just as bad

However there is no guarantee you will definitely be able to recover after any cycle.

95% of people have no issues getting the hpta back up and running after 6-12 month cycles ime.

I do this every year with competitive clients.

There is just always that risk [/quote]

Hilly thanks, recovered well last time so hopefully no issues ! Yes I see the yo-yo effect could potentially be more damaging, I’ll just continue as I am, appreciate your time / advice [/quote]
Our pleasure – this is defo the best move IMO

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[Hilly]

these threads always make me laugh.

What for? How can any one give you advice if we have no idea why you are using the drugs, what the goal is or anything about you?

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It very much depends on the cycle plan moving forward and you previous blood work on 200mg Test.

if you are estro sensitive then masteron will be a better choice to control things here.

primo would be the better choice for muscle building however IMO your not getting much of this from 100mg of either of these compounds so go with what suits your body and blood work best

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High day looks like this with a little reduced food from this week

m1 – 35g protein from TrainedbyJP vegan – 100g COR, 50g carbs free from bread and jam – the bread was awful so need to find another option here – plus humalog

M2 – 35g beef isolate, 150g rice flakes, 1 banana, honey – This is pre gym

Pre – L carnatine, Humalog, Trainedbyjp prepare and 50g carbs from rice cakes – 30 minutes pre
Intra – 20g EAA, 50g performance fuel, creatine, glutamine, taurine, coconut water –
PWO – 20g EAA, HMB, creatine

M3 – PPWO – beef isolate , 200g carbs. – humalog

m4 – 150g cooked chicken/turley, 400g cooked jasmine rice

M5 – 150g cooked chicken/turkey, 400g cooked jasmine rice

M6 – trainedbyjp vegan whey 60g protein, 75g carbs from free from bread or similar

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So a better day overall today – Still had that lethargy PWO and food was still a chore – just no want to eat and really had to force things which shouldn’t be the case but overall a better day

Need to make sure I am in the gym at 12:30 to train or push meals back and train at 2:30-3 so will get that sorted this week.

legs today and was a better session as I adapt the routine to what suits myself and doesn’t aggravate my bad back

Extensions – x 30 rep warm up, x 20/20/20/20/20 – increasing the weight a little each set –

Seated ham curl – x 15/15 warm ups – 3 x 10-12 – last set with a drop set – Done with a pause in contraction and 3 second negative.

Leg press – 5 sets of 20 adding a PPS each set

seated leg press machine – 4 second negative and positive – Feet close together – x 15/12/10/10f

Lunges – 2 sets with weight to failure and 1 set BW to failure

1 leg ham curl – 3 sets of 10-12 reps each with 8-10 partials after

Lay ham curl – 3 x 10-12 reps with 2 second hold in contraction

Adductor – 3 x 20 reps pyramid up in weight.

Was a more enjoyable session as trained with a client – its a huge session to do on your own and kick yourself through it

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I have taken an extra rest day today and missed arms.

HIT cardio and abs done then back to bed for 2 hours

Rest day food – Feeling very tired still but a tad better and hoping I wake better 2moro as its a high day and legs

Hilly, there is something going round mate – don’t necessarily think it’s anything to do with anything you are doing. For the last 3 weeks I’ve had fatigue and lethargy and felt ill at times. It’s not constant which is the weird thing. I can feel great for a couple days think it’s all blown over and then it comes right back. This is same with a few others I know. Very similar symptoms to you mate. [/quote]
Yes bud. Fully agree.

I’ve had clients all the same to.

Think I’ve picked it up as I’ve landed back from dubai.

Just bad timing

Feeling a gd bit better today

Off to hit legs.

I need to learn to understand I may be I’ll n not call myself a pussy ?

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Have been on this for 6 weeks now, got bloods done last week, what prompted me to go for a more moderate approach was receiving my bloods back with 137n/mol test levels which me and the coach discussed to be on the higher side

So pointless to push this high, we are drawing to a close within 2 weeks on to trt phase for 12 weeks prior to bumping test to 200 and adding in primo

Just thought realistically what is the additional test giving me, marginal gains so very pointless, when if I respond like this then the 200/200 split would yield great enough results to milk, and would be much safer bumping primo up when needed

Yes you want the most gains with minimal use as possible. Staying healthy is the number priority, I would recommend an echo once every 2 years aswell. [/quote]

Would NPP be a better option to add down the line? Obvs just 200t and 200p for now but would 100mg NPP be beneficial to stack with for off season setting?[/quote]

Yes very much so.

I am a fan of this combination with myself and clients [/quote]

No worries, will consider for down the line

If primo is unavailable as I’m still unsure of the legitimacy of my source, would mast be 2nd best in place of? If so would I dose lower than 200?[/quote]

From what i can see you already have masteron in here so there would be no adding more of it. Mast is stronger in terms of an AI effect so wth this dose of test i would be worried for most higher mast may keep estro to low [/quote]

Sorry, I was unclear would just be test + mast + NPP or alternatively test + primo + NPP, not mast and primo together[/quote]

Both would be great combinations

Personally I favour the mast in there but have had great success with both with clients [/quote]

Do these ratios seem ok?

300mg Test C

240mg Mast E

135mg NPP

Would be split in 3 sep injections mon/weds/fri[/quote]
Ok for what ?

There is no guidelines here on mixing ratio bud.

You just have to run them b see how you feel n what blood work
Says.

Ime with test n NPP there i may need masteron a little higher even at these lower doses

But that doesn’t mean you will. Only bloods will tell you.

This is an ok start point of it runs in line with what you know works for you n previous total dose use etc

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Hilly / Nathan thanks, this is my last year of competing, I’ve always come off completely between cycles only running one cycle a year leading up to a show.

In your opinion would running a cycle from Feb to Sept and then doing a solid PCT get my natural levels back up and running again or do I risk permanent shut down and resorting to TRT ?

Your asking impossible questions tbh.

In my experience it won’t make any difference being in that additional time n coming off to throw other drugs in causing more of a YoYo effect is just as bad

However there is no guarantee you will definitely be able to recover after any cycle.

95% of people have no issues getting the hpta back up and running after 6-12 month cycles ime.

I do this every year with competitive clients.

There is just always that risk

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What a great physique you have buddy. Shape n flow is awesome

More than lean enough to start growing imo

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