[Hilly]

Hi danny.

You have not told us the aim of adding the drug.

If it’s purely muscle and your BP etc is all good. Then deca would be good. It’s also going to aid in a little lubricant for joints that may help training to.

Many men your age favour deca for this.

If your just doing this to add a little muscle , perform a touch better in gym n look gd for summer then I would go primo.

Remember drugs have individual uses so you need to look at your goal – your requirements and then pick.

Most of my clients in your age group I would be choosing primo

Bar the competing guys I have n were using deca in there off season for both reasons stated

Hi Hilly,

Really appreciate the reply.

Prior to trt and finding out my test was in the gutter (around 4 years ago) I was at my heaviest of 17st 2 lb. I’d spent the previous couple of years following the sheiko program for powerlifting. After tons of low bar squatting and flat benching at high frequency it’s safe to say I have my niggles!!

Since starting trt I’ve dropped 4” from my waist and made more progress physique wise than the 10 years previous. I just feel like I’ve wasted SO much time!

I’m now training the full body routine outlined by Jordan (no low bar squats or flat bench!) and I’m loving training again.

I’m thinking the deca would be good for the niggles and I know I’ve got a good quality source for it.

I’m looking purely to add muscle and get after it in the gym.

Should the test always be a higher dose than the deca ? I’ve heard people talk about getting ratios between the two wrong and suffering Ed issues as a result? Is that something I need to consider or is it nonsense and totally individual from person to person?

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Very individual tbh.

I would add in just 200mg deca and asses after 6-8 weeks.

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[Hilly]

So the above is correct in general defo

Agree.

I suppose the one off rare issue is you have kidney issues and this is just adding stress causing This.

Have you had any bloods ?

Is the retention on waking or during the day accumulation

I had to write 10000 words on the stuff at uni and I can guarantee this is not a documented side etc

There is always that one rare case tho

Thanks for replies guys…

So answering you hilly –

The water retention seems fine or not as bad in the morning, but towards the end of the day I notice sock rings on my lower legs and for example if I sit on the toilet my trousers etc will leave marks on my shins…

I noticed this around 6 months ago deep into off season so just assumed it was cause I was heavy/out of shape etc… now I’m 5.5 weeks out (I was as I pulled out), and problem remains..

I’ve tried a few options, upped the ai, increase/decrease sodium, increase/decrease water,dandelion root etc I’ve now just dropped yohimbine to see if it clears up..

I had bloods from medi checks 3 months ago start of prep and values where off , but a couple guys mentioned medichecks been off lately, so I got a renal panel from my doctor and everything was OK..

I’m type 1 diabetic so I’m wondering if jts complications with that? I spoke to doctor earlier in week and have a ECG and ACR tests booked for June 2nd…

Tbh im just clutching at straws really trying to find answers lol

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Imo it’s defo not the creatine but simply dropping it would let you know.

Did the doctor do a full in-depth blood panel to counter any issues raised with medi check ?

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[Hilly]

Hhmmm. Usually BP would be the main cause.

Is your BP good all day ?

It doesn’t spike n thus cause the red flush ?

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[Hilly]

Very case depending tbh

For most tho I do like it in from the start of a comp prep.

This allows me to regulate metabolism from the start

I increase based on

Fat to loose
Time frame
Amount of food n calories
Performance

I rarely rarely get to 75mcg

However it’s not rare for some to
Double this which blows my mind.

Less often these days but years ago that was quite normal if you read the older advanced boards

I see no use for it outside of comp prep tbh for 95%

Potentially those doing modelling and need to keep
Metabolism ticking while doing shoots n allowing a little relaxation in eating during travel etc

No one needs it to get in awesome shape for holidays etc or w mini cut

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[Hilly]

Hi danny.

You have not told us the aim of adding the drug.

If it’s purely muscle and your BP etc is all good. Then deca would be good. It’s also going to aid in a little lubricant for joints that may help training to.

Many men your age favour deca for this.

If your just doing this to add a little muscle , perform a touch better in gym n look gd for summer then I would go primo.

Remember drugs have individual uses so you need to look at your goal – your requirements and then pick.

Most of my clients in your age group I would be choosing primo

Bar the competing guys I have n were using deca in there off season for both reasons stated

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[Hilly]

So the above is correct in general defo
Agree.

I suppose the one off rare issue is you have kidney issues and this is just adding stress causing This.

Have you had any bloods ?

Is the retention on waking or during the day accumulation

I had to write 10000 words on the stuff at uni and I can guarantee this is not a documented side etc

There is always that one rare case tho

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[Hilly]

No long slin yet as been dealing with a little indigestion- I’m adamant it’s the primo causing it

However that makes no sense at all from my research

Not sure if it’s the salmon meal 1 as I do get the odd Client that suffers with this. Will pull n see if so but I don’t think this either

On the plus. Slept like a baby last night. Back to normal.

TrainedByJP dream sleep
Is unreal

Weight. 224.5

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[Hilly]

I’ve been using for around a year.

I can’t say it does much for fat loss directly

However I notice a positive benefit when taken pre training when in a deficit with no change to macros

So this tells me it is doing it’s job in terms of utilising stored for for energy to some extent

Several health benefits to.

I now use it year round.

1ml – 200mg pre gym shot IM

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[Hilly]

Not a bad session today

Strength is up

I must say I’m not fond of having set days to train particularly.

I much prefer a 3 or 4 day split n then varying the days i train on n off.

Idea was so it’s easier for clients to jump in but it’s not enjoyable as other ways I feel

Another 3 weeks n I’ll
Switch it up into the next phase

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[Hilly]

Ahh thank you my man.

You know you can hit me up any time for any info I can help with.

Savage supplements I get mine from. Just there website

Hopefully I can gather it all up from here lol. Il get a pen and pad. Really hoping we don’t have to go the ivf route but worst case scenario we will. Hoping to compete this yr but still not certain. You gona get a cheeky show in? Il check savage supps out [/quote]
I’ve got it all documented bud so drop me a message n I’ll send it over to you if want buddy.

That was my hope. Ivf is a miracle no doubt n helps so many.

Just very stressful on the female n if we can rectify issues so it’s not needed it’s best I think.

No show this year. All
About getting swole.

Then maybe next year ?

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[Hilly]

 

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[Hilly]

Up cardio to 40 mins

Steaks to 12-14k

If no drop she’s not adhering 100%

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[Hilly]

Pointless for 95/% of people

90% of stuff available is also not IGF imo

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[Hilly]

Doctors is the only advice here

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