[Hilly]

You need to simply learn to fill your meals out

Veg
Salad
More fibre
More lower kcal food choices

You then need to understand how the body works

Your forcing it to burn its stored energy. This is an emergency fuel
Substrate for the body survival. It doesn’t want to be lean. It increases hunger to make you eat more to re stock

Got to put your big boy pants on and learn to deal with it if you want to be truly lean / shredded

Coffee / gum / sugar free jelly / big salads can all help

I’ve seen me sit eating cooked broccoli / mushrooms / crunchy lettuce to help through hunger

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[Hilly]

This is very normal.

Eating / chewing etc starts the GIT n triggers lots of processes

Usually causing a bowel movement

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[Hilly]

Weight has stalled still. 223lb

If no movement I’ll add another 200kcal

Happy enough with condition

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[Hilly]

Big old leg session yesterday- it actually ruined my life lol

All else is gd – bit of acid from the oxy

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[Hilly]

Why would you want to use 150mg of test? it makes absolute 0 sense.

We use steroids to be over what the body can produce and 150mg a week wont do that it will just about put you in range/upper end (cruise)

Im sure at 20 hes natural test will be high unless hes had a test and its low.

Hes young and if this sport means so much to him he wants to jump on gear young then fair enough its his choice but ideally 250/300mg should be the minimum for a cycle IMO.

But lets say his test is att 15 if you have good test and veins 150 mg a week it Will put him around 70 and that should be enough? Dr dean wrote an article here about that you dont need more than 200 mg first cykle because that often put you 4 time higher than your normal? Why would he start with 250-300 then? [/quote]Is his test at 15 ???
Most people 150mg puts them at 30-50.
So he wants to risk n infection n Stab himself in the ass to be just over natural
Sounds stupid to me.
Also how long does he want to take to turn pro ? How long does he want to stress his system using drugs.
Find me one top amateur or pro that started on 250mg test. ???!!
I know a bloody lot n they all started on 400-500mg.
The other thing Is. He is paying a ‘top coach ‘ why would he want others opinions. Sounds silly. He could always pay to join the site n discuss it with us ?‍♂️ [/quote]

We are discussing what he should be taken for his first cykle at the age of 20 [/quote]

I understand fully.

He’s 20.

He had gd genetics

He wants to be a pro.

His test is 15.

I still think it’s stupid to take 150mg test. That’s what I understand [/quote]

Okey good but what do you think he should start with then? To get the most of the least? [/quote]

300mg to 400mg[/quote]

Okay i understand so You dont aggre with dr dean about the maximum start is 200 mg because it often put you 4 time higher than your normal and that Will be more than enough? [/quote]
I don’t think I can keep repeating myself.

If I thought that was enough I would of said buddy.

I think it’s a stupid idea but that is just my opinion for the reasons I have stated to you already.

I can’t offer you anything else

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[Hilly]

Not ime

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[Hilly]

For me.

6 weeks slowly upping food

Adjust training frequency/ volume

Then come back down into holiday

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[Hilly]

Weight 224.5

Legs today

Total rest day yesterday

Feel great today

Client work till 11

Watch clients pose then legs

Then sushi with the lads

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[Hilly]

This all looks fine to me.

Follow it for 4 weeks.

Then asses.

Tbh there is no need for any more than pyramid up to 1 x all out working set.

This will drive all the changes you need.

Then look to add volume at a later date.

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[Hilly]

If your ill. Your body metabolism will be up and in demand of energy and nutrients.

I would follow normal rest day diet n rest for all cardio n training

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[Hilly]

It will of been effected to
Some extent depending on how long it was there for.

How much is almost impossible to tell tho

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[Hilly]

Why would you want to use 150mg of test? it makes absolute 0 sense.

We use steroids to be over what the body can produce and 150mg a week wont do that it will just about put you in range/upper end (cruise)

Im sure at 20 hes natural test will be high unless hes had a test and its low.

Hes young and if this sport means so much to him he wants to jump on gear young then fair enough its his choice but ideally 250/300mg should be the minimum for a cycle IMO.

But lets say his test is att 15 if you have good test and veins 150 mg a week it Will put him around 70 and that should be enough? Dr dean wrote an article here about that you dont need more than 200 mg first cykle because that often put you 4 time higher than your normal? Why would he start with 250-300 then? [/quote]Is his test at 15 ???
Most people 150mg puts them at 30-50.
So he wants to risk n infection n Stab himself in the ass to be just over natural
Sounds stupid to me.
Also how long does he want to take to turn pro ? How long does he want to stress his system using drugs.
Find me one top amateur or pro that started on 250mg test. ???!!
I know a bloody lot n they all started on 400-500mg.
The other thing Is. He is paying a ‘top coach ‘ why would he want others opinions. Sounds silly. He could always pay to join the site n discuss it with us ?‍♂️ [/quote]

We are discussing what he should be taken for his first cykle at the age of 20 [/quote]

I understand fully.

He’s 20.

He had gd genetics

He wants to be a pro.

His test is 15.

I still think it’s stupid to take 150mg test. That’s what I understand [/quote]

Okey good but what do you think he should start with then? To get the most of the least? [/quote]
300mg to 400mg

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[Hilly]

Hhhmm I wouldn’t be using ment to start a contest prep.

I wouldn’t touch EQ if I had history of anxiety.

I hope your coach is well
Experienced in eating disorders etc to help manage your potential binge eating issue as this will
Be severely tested during prep.

For me primo all day which is a way better choice if it’s real than EQ

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[Hilly]

Hey. Firstly please remember I’m not a doctor

Blood lipids look ok to me but there are a lot of foreign words I don’t know there

Liver looks stressed – you need something like TrainedByJP vital support to bring this in range

HDL is very poor – something like TrainedByJP love heart – 10g good quality fish oil – flushing niacin

Insulin looks ok to me

Estrogen looks ok

Prolactin looks way to low ?

Not sure if the one below Estro is testosterone but it’s not in English nor do I understand the ranges so can’t comment

Thx for the answer @Hilly

The problem is to find a doctor to consult here in Bulgaria because they won’t give me a general appointment and they mostly don’t speak englisch

The liver is stressed from the leg workout the day before I guess because no orals are in play and the GGT was in range but I’m not sure

HDL is something im working on but I’m not sure how to use niacin for that if possible maybe explain ?

Prolactin is low because I took my 0.5 caber the evening before (2 per week) because of problems with 19 Nors (already switched them now for other compounds to take out the caber)

Beneath estrogen it’s testosterone free and then bound

Thank you so much for the help again ??[/quote]
Niacin. You take the recommended dose along side other supplements I suggested bud.

Have a read into
It first tho.

You should always do your own research on these things to increase your understanding from our guidance

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[Hilly]

Hey. Firstly please remember I’m not a doctor

Blood lipids look ok to me but there are a lot of foreign words I don’t know there

Liver looks stressed – you need something like TrainedByJP vital support to bring this in range

HDL is very poor – something like TrainedByJP love heart – 10g good quality fish oil – flushing niacin

Insulin looks ok to me

Estrogen looks ok

Prolactin looks way to low ?

Not sure if the one below Estro is testosterone but it’s not in English nor do I understand the ranges so can’t comment

Thx for the answer @Hilly

The problem is to find a doctor to consult here in Bulgaria because they won’t give me a general appointment and they mostly don’t speak englisch

The liver is stressed from the leg workout the day before I guess because no orals are in play and the GGT was in range but I’m not sure

HDL is something im working on but I’m not sure how to use niacin for that if possible maybe explain ?

Prolactin is low because I took my 0.5 caber the evening before (2 per week) because of problems with 19 Nors (already switched them now for other compounds to take out the caber)

Beneath estrogen it’s testosterone free and then bound

Thank you so much for the help again ??[/quote]
That ALT is not that high from simply leg training IMO.

My original advice stands.

You never mentioned caber. That makes sense but is unhealthy low

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