[Hilly]

I would also push to get close to 10% first.

The leaner you are the less you will convert to estro

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[Hilly]

I would go to 400mg. Split twice a week

Keep nolva to hand and use if you get any gyno issues

Get bloods done at week 6 -7 then evaluate from there

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[Hilly]

Why would you want to use 150mg of test? it makes absolute 0 sense.

We use steroids to be over what the body can produce and 150mg a week wont do that it will just about put you in range/upper end (cruise)

Im sure at 20 hes natural test will be high unless hes had a test and its low.

Hes young and if this sport means so much to him he wants to jump on gear young then fair enough its his choice but ideally 250/300mg should be the minimum for a cycle IMO.

But lets say his test is att 15 if you have good test and veins 150 mg a week it Will put him around 70 and that should be enough? Dr dean wrote an article here about that you dont need more than 200 mg first cykle because that often put you 4 time higher than your normal? Why would he start with 250-300 then? [/quote]Is his test at 15 ???
Most people 150mg puts them at 30-50.
So he wants to risk n infection n Stab himself in the ass to be just over natural
Sounds stupid to me.
Also how long does he want to take to turn pro ? How long does he want to stress his system using drugs.
Find me one top amateur or pro that started on 250mg test. ???!!
I know a bloody lot n they all started on 400-500mg.
The other thing Is. He is paying a ‘top coach ‘ why would he want others opinions. Sounds silly. He could always pay to join the site n discuss it with us ?‍♂️ [/quote]

We are discussing what he should be taken for his first cykle at the age of 20 [/quote]
I understand fully.

He’s 20.

He had gd genetics

He wants to be a pro.

His test is 15.

I still think it’s stupid to take 150mg test. That’s what I understand

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[Hilly]

Why would you want to use 150mg of test? it makes absolute 0 sense.

We use steroids to be over what the body can produce and 150mg a week wont do that it will just about put you in range/upper end (cruise)

Im sure at 20 hes natural test will be high unless hes had a test and its low.

Hes young and if this sport means so much to him he wants to jump on gear young then fair enough its his choice but ideally 250/300mg should be the minimum for a cycle IMO.

But lets say his test is att 15 if you have good test and veins 150 mg a week it Will put him around 70 and that should be enough? Dr dean wrote an article here about that you dont need more than 200 mg first cykle because that often put you 4 time higher than your normal? Why would he start with 250-300 then? [/quote]Is his test at 15 ???
Most people 150mg puts them at 30-50.
So he wants to risk n infection n Stab himself in the ass to be just over natural
Sounds stupid to me.
Also how long does he want to take to turn pro ? How long does he want to stress his system using drugs.
Find me one top amateur or pro that started on 250mg test. ???!!
I know a bloody lot n they all started on 400-500mg.

The other thing Is. He is paying a ‘top coach ‘ why would he want others opinions. Sounds silly. He could always pay to join the site n discuss it with us ?‍♂️

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[Hilly]

Physique has come on a lot bud. Well done

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Nothing in reality.

Just diet

However vacuums will give you much better stomach control.

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Hey. Firstly please remember I’m not a doctor

Blood lipids look ok to me but there are a lot of foreign words I don’t know there

Liver looks stressed – you need something like TrainedByJP vital support to bring this in range

HDL is very poor – something like TrainedByJP love heart – 10g good quality fish oil – flushing niacin

Insulin looks ok to me

Estrogen looks ok
Prolactin looks way to low ?

Not sure if the one below Estro is testosterone but it’s not in English nor do I understand the ranges so can’t comment

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Rest day today

Weight yesterday – 223.5 – slowly up

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Shoulders / chest – in a different gym so again nothing exciting

Focus today was with 2 clients locally that struggle with chest connections

Shoulder held up better this week than last so gd news

Rope face pulls – 4 x 8 with 8 second rest – last 2 hitting failure 8/6

Rope front raise – 1 x hard work set , 1 x f with 2 drops

Crucifix lateral – x 19f, x 8f, x 13f

1 arm lat – x 21f

9 failure sets

Chest

Pec Dec – 6 sets – last 2 hard work n 1 failure

Machine press – 3 x 20

Still not pushing with that bicep

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Coaches – this might be a dumb question but does the cor have to be cooked? I thought it had to be cooked to digest but maybe I’m wrong. Same goes for quinoa flour and oat flour. If that’s the case this will save me alot of time! Thanks

This is person depending.

Most seem to be fine with the mentioned flours

As are some with COR just adding hot water

For me I need to cook the COR or I get a little stomach issue

You really just need to find what sits for you ok

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[Hilly]

Sounds like it’s either sat between the muscles

Or back flower a little and sat under fat / skin.

Give it a few days before worrying.

Lightly massage it tonight

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[Hilly]

Depends which way you look at it, it’s his birthday so day is all about him.
Participation is key here, don’t think you need to eat hot dogs because it’s his birthday it’s participation and being there that counts more.
I look at it from a different perspective I guess
I would probably grill my food with theirs

This is what I was getting at to.

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[Hilly]

Do you have to eat crap ?

Does your son need to eat bad food cos it’s his birthday ?

Why not just all eat nice , good quality food.

Then you don’t need to worry.

Reduce carbs earlier in the day if you feel your over eating that badly and for some reason can’t avoid that.

All go for lots of family walks.

Don’t make social occasions about ‘cheat food ‘ is my opinion.

I could avoid it if i brought food with me but we’re gonna spend the day outside with family and friends probably grill some hot dogs and stuff, Hes turning 4 and has been looking forward to his birthday cake for about a month now haha, also promised he could choose whatever he wanted for dinner but i’ll make sure to limit myself to 1 cheat meal only and reduce carbs for my other meals, thanks for the tips!

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Sorry my man.

What I meant was – any were you choose to eat you can get normal food.

Your son can eat as he pleases.

You can eat as you please.

If he wants burger n fries that’s cool. If you want to eat better get steak n chips

If you fancy a burger and fries then have that if not on prep n are balancing things out.

However for me id not stress abt yourself – eat what you fancy as long as it’s good quality n make sure the little man enjoys his day

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Lmao, using rohm labs so should be okay, here is hoping. What can I expect to feel once I am on? Cheers for reply

Testosterone is what makes you a man yes ?

It’s what gives you make characteristics.

Aggression
Sex drive
Strength
Muscle mass

You will see an increase in all
Of this usually

For most they feel more confident , potentially a little more aggressive in the gym or sporting situations.

Most feel an increase in sex drive on first cycle to

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[Hilly]

Do you have to eat crap ?

Does your son need to eat bad food cos it’s his birthday ?

Why not just all eat nice , good quality food.

Then you don’t need to worry.

Reduce carbs earlier in the day if you feel your over eating that badly and for some reason can’t avoid that.

All go for lots of family walks.

Don’t make social occasions about ‘cheat food ‘ is my opinion.

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