Patrick Houben
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If i read your bloods correctly you have aft4 of 10 with a range of 9-19, which seems low.
People feel different on different ratios of t4/3, with 150/20 youre taking a ratio of 7.5 t4/t3. Studies found a mean ratio of 15 for t4/t3 ratio in humans, with individuals having a higher or lower ratio.
You could try a different approach like 175mcg t4/10mcg t3= 17.5 ratio for example or 175mcgt4 + 15mcg t3 = 11,66 ratio and see if you feel any different.
How did you feel with 150t4 only btw?
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i think t3 doesnt make you flat as long as you need it. But theres much controversy about it. Some higher caliber BB’s implement t3 for their bulking cycles and like it, others say it just makes you flat and weak. Maybe its very individual, idk.
Do you split dose your t3? I normally use 10mcg at 3am, 5mcg at 10.30 and 5 mcg at 6pm.
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Im on the exact same dose of t4+t3 as you, 150/20. I dont feel like it has an impact on fullness or my ability to gain muscle tbh, i just use 175mg test e for cruise atm and dont really feel flat if i eat enough carbs.
When cutting, i always get cold hand/feet easily, but with enough carbs, this goes away pretty quick. Are you using any roids atm or any other medications?
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Yeah you’re right. Keep us updated
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Patrick I’m not knowledgable enough in that area to comment buddy , after tons of thyroid blood work, mine is odd , even at 50mcg exogenous t3 it doesn’t put me above range of normal free t3, so for me any comments on my own thyroid are just speculation , like I didn’t know why t4 was low last time
with ft3 testingy the timing is going to matter a lot because of the short half life of t3 meds. i guess youre taking the t3 at morning. if youd draw blood an hour or two later, your ft3 will showup high most likely.
With taking t3 once a day, its like using test prop. Shortly after = high blood levels, lower in the evening. You might benefit from taking it this way for example:
25mcg before bed, 12,5mcg midday. ft3 peaks at night with a functioning thyroid, so taking it that way and splitting it up is recommended imo.
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could be from the correlation between androgens and TBG (thyroid binding globulin) as youre using primo atm, which is basically adding androgens to your endocrine system that dont aromatize like test would. Thath mechanism could lower TBG, leaving you with more free t4/t3.
That could be the reason behind your higher t4, but as long as you dont feel any different, it wont matter much i think
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ft3 fluctuates quiete a bit throughout the day in my experience, ft4 doesnt normally. strange
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did you change your thyroid replacement? your ft4 came up somehow
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Are you taking any thyroid meds atm? Do you suffer from feeling cold /bad digestion /brain fog?
If not, i wouldnt start them with your t4 &t3 levels. Theres plenty of t4 and t3 fluctuates heavily throughout the day.
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My labs are
TSH 0.52
fT4 1.5 ng/dl ( 0.9 -1.8)
fT3 3.6pg/ml (2.0 -4.0)
I feel okay most of the time, sometimes i think my metabolism could be faster.
Do you think I would benefit from running t4 lower and t3 a bit higher? I recently read that Jordan Peters for example runs 100mcg t4 +37.5 t3 all the time.
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Hey Jordan,
Now that you’ve cut your dosages, did you change anything in regards to your thyroid replacement or do you stay on the 100t4/37.5 t3?
All the best for you✌️
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How’s your TSH and ft3? Do you take the 200t4+30t3 all at once?
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Had to cut it short due to lockdown unfortunately.. when gyms reopen here in Germany/netherlands I’ll try 1000mg deca+20-30 dbol/day. Wanna do injectable dbol if i find a source for it.
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No
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Just a quick update two weeks in, went with 175 test+ 1g nandrolone roughly, it’s working pretty good I’d say. I tried to increase test to 250mg, but nipples started to hurt and i got bloated af, shad to pop 12.5mg aromasin. I’ll stick with 175 test. Going for three more weeks, gonna keep this cycle short.