[Ryan]

hey buddy, how long have you run clomid for and what dose?

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I ran HCG for 20 days then got test levels checked, they came back okay so started clomid 2 weeks at 100mg then 2 weeks at 50mg[/quote]
i would have done 50mg for 4 weeks then down to 25mg for 2 weeks. Your test is back and may rise naturally over the next few months.

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[Ryan]

hey buddy, how long have you run clomid for and what dose?

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I ran HCG for 20 days then got test levels checked, they came back okay so started clomid 2 weeks at 100mg then 2 weeks at 50mg[/quote]
cool, how long after pct was this test?

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[Ryan]

Ryan at what point does your clomid get introduced? Any nolva?

Good luck bud.

Hey Rob,

il do 3 weeka of HCG to start synthetic production at the testicles then il move onto clomid to enhance the natural production from my hypothalamus.

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also Ryan did you see a declining condition with cease of t3 coupled with increase in food? what was your rebound cycle?

hey m8, full pct and rebound cycles are under cycle section. Didn’t have much of a rebound coming off the t3. my dose was only 25mg and i have a good supplement protocol. pics are from today 122kg before full pct.

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thanks Ryan is that the introduction of sea kelp your reference too with the supplement protocol?[/quote]
yes sea kelp amongst others to help with hormone production. il get the full list up of what i take. it’s important to note tho what i use may not be what someone else needs, Its about finding out what you need, blood work will help with determining what supplements may be best.

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[Ryan]

hey buddy, how long have you run clomid for and what dose?

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Hey m8, weight can be relevant to some extent. for instance a 6ft plus guy will need to weigh more than a 5ft 8 guy to be competive. obviously ppl say about dexter and his weight but he is literally one in a billion. If you want weight to increase you need to push cals again. what are you at?

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My drugs section is updated as i Prepare to come off everything. no cruise, no trt. off off

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I was referring to your OTC supps, not the PEDS mate

Which it’s your current OTC supplement stack?[/quote]
Hey juan, It’s a long list but will get it up soon

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My drugs section is updated as i Prepare to come off everything. no cruise, no trt. off off

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I was referring to your OTC supps, not the PEDS mate

Which it’s your current OTC supplement stack?[/quote]
Hey juan, It’s a long list but will get it up soon

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[Ryan]

pics not uploading for some reason. Check my Instagram stories.

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[Ryan]

also Ryan did you see a declining condition with cease of t3 coupled with increase in food? what was your rebound cycle?

hey m8, full pct and rebound cycles are under cycle section. Didn’t have much of a rebound coming off the t3. my dose was only 25mg and i have a good supplement protocol. pics are from today 122kg before full pct.

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[Ryan]

for me, pinks salt, occasionally black pepper, tuneric which is great for digestion and a little ginger.

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[Ryan]

Rest day today, calories where super high yesterday, and pretty clean. definitely finding it easier to get them in. Still keeping am eye on composition, when i get too soft i will tidy things up before another push.

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I mean higher est levels are definitely linked to bfat increases, that’s why women have a higher average of bfat. I feel fucked when est is crashed. I once used letrozole and felt like absolute shit. I think cutting est production in men will still result in sufficient bfat loss but how much muscle will also be lost, est is a great hormone for retaining muscle. Tren wise it doesn’t matter what state your in if you take tren you will generally get leaner as Its a great fat burning tool. Hopefully Dean can clear up all the science. Interesting topic.

I see, so lower estrogen = less bf?

I noticed when my estrogen is crashed completely i actually gain body fat, my insulin sensitivity goes down as well

It was kind of odd, in some cycles i was leaner with crashed estrogen and in other cycles i was leaner with high estrogen

but the study seemed to show low estrogen when tren was involved caused extreme fat loss

yea, hoping Dr. Dean can clear things up[/quote]
it would definitely make sense that lower est with tren resulted in fat loss. I think there’s a balance to be found of controlling est to a sufficient level throughout prep before eliminating it pre stage to drop water retention etc.

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Tough push session today. Looks like my body is finally in need of a deload. Pretty good timing considering me and Harry are both coming off everything. No bridge or TRT. il write my whole pct up under my drugs section. I will be trying for a baby so will stay off until we conceive. Me and my wife that is, not Harry lol.

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