[Paul]

yes it is 100% possible to do this.

In terms of food – I would have your kcal set initially at maintain amount and then add in some cardio – I would then have high days 1-2 times a week –

this is just a guide and will need tweaking as you go to get the right results – you may well be able to slowly increase kcal on training days as you go and keep growing and getting leaner

its just as J says a slower process

Thanks for the reply, sounds good to me! I’ve currently haven’t got any cardio in, what would you start with?

As for the high days, would you approach this by pushing carbs up around the days of my most demanding sessions? Something around 75g-125g increase? Thanks again [/quote]

5 sessions of 25 minutes at a total random / average amount to say – its impossible to be accurate here without knowing you and looking at the full picture so thats were I would start.

High days I would be adding in 150-200g carbs initially – on a back or leg day personally in this instance and asses over time.[/quote]
Thanks! This may be an odd question but what would you do if you don’t want your legs to grow anymore but you enjoy training legs? Drop volume right down or don’t have a dedicated leg day? I’m currently doing 12 sets of legs a week 6 hammy and 6 quads Push, Pull, Legs, Rest, Upper, Rest, Rest

[Paul]

yes it is 100% possible to do this.

In terms of food – I would have your kcal set initially at maintain amount and then add in some cardio – I would then have high days 1-2 times a week –

this is just a guide and will need tweaking as you go to get the right results – you may well be able to slowly increase kcal on training days as you go and keep growing and getting leaner

its just as J says a slower process

Thanks for the reply, sounds good to me! I’ve currently haven’t got any cardio in, what would you start with?

As for the high days, would you approach this by pushing carbs up around the days of my most demanding sessions? Something around 75g-125g increase? Thanks again

[Paul]

Heya Paul, absolutely you can , and many do. You won’t get huge huge doing this , but you can get a really great physique that’s for sure 🙂

Thanks for the reply Jordan! How would you go about food? Eat at my current maintenance cals for my body weight and adjust up/down if weight is going one way or another and track my progress progress with check in shots & log book numbers?

[Paul]

Thanks for the detailed reply as always 😄

[Paul]

If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also? [/quote]

[/quote]

Just re-listened to your voice note I think I misunderstood so I’ve deleted my initial reply,

So you would still recommend eating pre gym something easy like Sas has suggested, followed by intra carbs and the post workout shake, but the only difference you would do is have the shot of insulin post not pre?

If I’m having it pre do I have to be worried about my meal after the post workout meal or would I be covered by the post workout shake and meal?

If you were adding Lantus & GH to this at what point would you do these GH upon wake and Lantus with M1 after the PWO shake? [/quote]

[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, I’m working my way through Vigorous Steve’s insulin guide to educate myself and I know in layman’s terms the purpose of using Insulin it’s just he doesn’t touch on using insulin in the scenario I was planning on but you have really helped. I’m not planning on using it until my next push in 4 weeks, so I’ll have plenty of time to learn all about it, thank you again for your help! [/quote]

my pleasure bud [/quote]

Hey Peter,

I hope you don’t mind but I thought I’d reply back on here rather than start a new thread for the same topic!

So for my pre, intra & post workout shake I was planning on using HBCD carbs, but after doing some reading I was wondering if Dextrose carbs would be better suited for post workout with my shot of insulin?

Which type of carb would you recommend for the pre shake? (around 15 mins before training) cheers![/quote]

In truth what ever digests best and is within your budget.

For me I find dextrose very sweet and it hits my BG hard

malto seems to knock my digestion

To much cyclic dextrin also knocks my digestion.

So I personally dont favour a pre shake.

i will have a TBJP COR meal around 90 minutes pre and then hit my slin 15 minutes pre workout -I then have a shake that consists of 50-75g cyclic dextrin I sip throughout the workout – this is fine for me in terms of digestion and covers the insulin.

I will then either use rice based cereal or rice flakes or more COR PWO and again this covers me fine

When needing more carbs I actually tend to use sweets like dolly mixture pre or post – these digest super quick, taste nice and cause me no issues but this is only when carbs are very high [/quote]
Thanks mate, I’ll give your set up a go and combine the pre & intra shake, so I’m not setting off to the gym with 3 shakers! When its necessary to use Nova post workout, is there a benefit to using it straight after finishing training with a protein & carb shake or will you get the same effect driving home, eating and using insulin with that meal around 25 mins after you finished the workout?

[Paul]

If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also? [/quote]

[/quote]

Just re-listened to your voice note I think I misunderstood so I’ve deleted my initial reply,

So you would still recommend eating pre gym something easy like Sas has suggested, followed by intra carbs and the post workout shake, but the only difference you would do is have the shot of insulin post not pre?

If I’m having it pre do I have to be worried about my meal after the post workout meal or would I be covered by the post workout shake and meal?

If you were adding Lantus & GH to this at what point would you do these GH upon wake and Lantus with M1 after the PWO shake? [/quote]

[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, I’m working my way through Vigorous Steve’s insulin guide to educate myself and I know in layman’s terms the purpose of using Insulin it’s just he doesn’t touch on using insulin in the scenario I was planning on but you have really helped. I’m not planning on using it until my next push in 4 weeks, so I’ll have plenty of time to learn all about it, thank you again for your help! [/quote]

my pleasure bud [/quote]
Hey Peter,

I hope you don’t mind but I thought I’d reply back on here rather than start a new thread for the same topic!

So for my pre, intra & post workout shake I was planning on using HBCD carbs, but after doing some reading I was wondering if Dextrose carbs would be better suited for post workout with my shot of insulin?

Which type of carb would you recommend for the pre shake? (around 15 mins before training) cheers!

[Paul]

If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also? [/quote]

[/quote]

Just re-listened to your voice note I think I misunderstood so I’ve deleted my initial reply,

So you would still recommend eating pre gym something easy like Sas has suggested, followed by intra carbs and the post workout shake, but the only difference you would do is have the shot of insulin post not pre?

If I’m having it pre do I have to be worried about my meal after the post workout meal or would I be covered by the post workout shake and meal?

If you were adding Lantus & GH to this at what point would you do these GH upon wake and Lantus with M1 after the PWO shake? [/quote]

[/quote]
Thanks for the reply, I’m working my way through Vigorous Steve’s insulin guide to educate myself and I know in layman’s terms the purpose of using Insulin it’s just he doesn’t touch on using insulin in the scenario I was planning on but you have really helped. I’m not planning on using it until my next push in 4 weeks, so I’ll have plenty of time to learn all about it, thank you again for your help!

[Paul]

If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also? [/quote]

[/quote]
Just re-listened to your voice note I think I misunderstood so I’ve deleted my initial reply,

So you would still recommend eating pre gym something easy like Sas has suggested, followed by intra carbs and the post workout shake, but the only difference you would do is have the shot of insulin post not pre?

If I’m having it pre do I have to be worried about my meal after the post workout meal or would I be covered by the post workout shake and meal?

If you were adding Lantus & GH to this at what point would you do these GH upon wake and Lantus with M1 after the PWO shake?

[Paul]

If this is your first time using I would not be recommending this.

I would be opting for post workout use with a shake – protein and fast carbs.

As you will be waking depleted and going into the workout the chances of hypo during the workout will be much greater IME

Cheers Peter, how soon from finishing your workout would you have the shot of insulin and would you have a meal quite soon after the initial shake also?

[Paul]

Pumpage by JP is perfect. Or prepare it you want stim. Any supps that help drive blood flow / blood vessels dilate.

Carb wise, I’d start with 4iu shot ins, 40g carbs from banana and raisins, 40-50g carbs intra, 40-50g carbs post. Then a post meal with 70-100 carbs 45 mins after post shake. You can take the insulin a little higher later on. You don’t really need post insulin, not yet anyway. Rapid covers a 4 hour (roughly) window , so unless you’re eating a lot of carbs like 300-400g minimum across that window I wouldnt use a post shot. And if you do, post meal and post post meal are very important carb wise too

Cheers Sasan, how many carbs do you generally like to see per unit of insulin?

Just to confirm I’m following what you are advising correctly… wake up shot of insulin & carbs from raisins/banana and drink EAA’s, pre, creatine, then drink 40-50g carbs throughout workout, then drink post workout shake immediately after finishing workout and then eat post workout meal 45mins after shake?

How would the nutrition around this window change if it was a day off work and I had time to have a proper pre workout meal something like 100g Cor/Oats, would the post workout shake/intra workout be dropped?

[Paul]

I’d rather see you (tried and tested) have 30-40 carbs from banana / honey / raisins… with shot of rapid, with this drink eaa’s, creatine, glutamine, pump supps, when you get to the gym start sipping on your intra carbs. Post have 50 whey and 50 simple carbs

This will cover you better. Safer, and more effective. And still digest fast and easy.

Just my advise. I wouldn’t have any of my clients take a shot of rapid after fasting

Ok thank you Sasan! Pump supps as in any pre workout or is there a certain ingredient you like which is in pump products which helps? Also how many carbs would you like to see your clients have in their intra workout drink if they are having the honey, raisin, banana mix and if you were doing pre and post shots of rapid insulin would you just have a shot, whey and more carbs? Thanks for the help 😃

[Paul]

Testosterone 32.6

LH 0.3

E2 123

Prolactin 358

FSH 0.3

SHBG 13.70

Free Aneogen Index 238

Progesterone 0.16

prolactin isnt mad high by any means and I see alot of people sit here no issues.

How long had you been on this dose when you had the bloods then bud?

I would sit at this dose – keep the vet B6 at 300mg every day and retest in 5-6 weeks to see if it dips this down into range [/quote]

I had stopped taking it for about 3-4 weeks and then only started again a week before my blood test. Thank you, I’ll do that! How would you go about it when i start Tren, Increase P5p straight away just in case or go off feel?[/quote]

I would make sure it comes down first.

I would then start really low on tren and monitor how you feel and what happens on bloods – like 75mg split MWF[/quote]
Yeah that’s what I thought, was worried it would increase it further, but my progesterone isn’t that high at all and I thought Tren raised progesterone which then raise prolactin, is that right?

[Paul]

Testosterone 32.6

LH 0.3

E2 123

Prolactin 358

FSH 0.3

SHBG 13.70

Free Aneogen Index 238

Progesterone 0.16

prolactin isnt mad high by any means and I see alot of people sit here no issues.

How long had you been on this dose when you had the bloods then bud?

I would sit at this dose – keep the vet B6 at 300mg every day and retest in 5-6 weeks to see if it dips this down into range [/quote]
I had stopped taking it for about 3-4 weeks and then only started again a week before my blood test. Thank you, I’ll do that! How would you go about it when i start Tren, Increase P5p straight away just in case or go off feel?

[Paul]

I do get the odd ache/sensation in my chest even on TRT so would be good to pin point if this is prolactin or estrogen or wether it’s just me extra paranoid about gyno!

[Paul]

What compounds were you running on the cycle?

Some people see an elevation of prolactin when they start TRT. Also, since you don’t have a baseline prolactin prior to steroid use, you can’t be certain it wasn’t always elevated. Are you having any symptoms would be the main concern.

Test, Primo, NPP

Loss of libido is the main one! Yeah it’s tough to call as my Prolactin is higher now than it was during my cycle… I want to add low dose Trenbolone Into my next cycle so want to figure out if this level of prolactin is normal for me or wether Tren would tip me over the edge