[Paul]

Testosterone 32.6
LH 0.3
E2 123
Prolactin 358
FSH 0.3
SHBG 13.70
Free Aneogen Index 238
Progesterone 0.16

[Paul]

I cant see the bloods here can you type them out.

what is your current body composition like?

I would potentially consider micro dosing your TRT dose daily here TBH and see how this effects things

Hi Peter,

Current body comp is good, I’ve got all abs showing and some separation in my legs if I tense, food isn’t the highest or lowest it’s been but at a nice amount (4k cals)

I’m already micro dosing my TRT daily, I’ll post my bloods again, sorry about that and appreciate the reply!

[Paul]

Not sure if it’s also worth mentioning but I was using Rohm Test-E at 350mg, NPP 150mg & 500mg Primo and my blood work showed that my test was only 50mnol which I thought looked low.

Im now using Quanta Test-E at 125mg and my blood work showed my test was 32mnol, I get a very occasional feeling in my chest but nothing like it was on my blast.

[Paul]

Hold, the last thing you want to do is diet straight away when reaching new size and bodyweight.

Holding phase 8 weeks 6 week tidy up to re set your appetite and prime you for a push up to go again for 20+ weeks.

Thanks Kuba, sounds good to me. So would you advice a 14 week health phase here or are you saying tidy up for another 2 weeks while anabolics are reintroduced?[/quote]

8 week holding phase stsrt tidy up whilst in health phase

Health phases are and should be determined by your health

Run bloods see how good they are then decide, you might need 8 might need 12 might need 6 all depends on bloods

You can tidy up on lower anabolics then re introduce cycle for other half of tidy [/quote]

Cheers Kuba so I understand that health phases should last as long as they need to, depending on feedback. I’m just a bit confused on what you would do with Peds in a holding phase, I thought this would be done on a cruise dose/health phase but are you saying that you would do a holding phase on cycle and then tidy up in your health phase until bloods are good to go again and then start to reintroduce higher amount of peds?

Apologies if I’ve missed the boat! [/quote]

Holding phases are done off cycle, drop to a cruise hold then tidy after that. I prefer to start my tidy up at the back end of holding phase whilst re introducing peds back in[/quote]
Thanks Kuba 👌🏼 what rate or loss would you aim for in the tidy up?

[Paul]

Thank you everyone 👌🏼

[Paul]

Hold, the last thing you want to do is diet straight away when reaching new size and bodyweight.

Holding phase 8 weeks 6 week tidy up to re set your appetite and prime you for a push up to go again for 20+ weeks.

Thanks Kuba, sounds good to me. So would you advice a 14 week health phase here or are you saying tidy up for another 2 weeks while anabolics are reintroduced?[/quote]

8 week holding phase stsrt tidy up whilst in health phase

Health phases are and should be determined by your health

Run bloods see how good they are then decide, you might need 8 might need 12 might need 6 all depends on bloods

You can tidy up on lower anabolics then re introduce cycle for other half of tidy [/quote]
Cheers Kuba so I understand that health phases should last as long as they need to, depending on feedback. I’m just a bit confused on what you would do with Peds in a holding phase, I thought this would be done on a cruise dose/health phase but are you saying that you would do a holding phase on cycle and then tidy up in your health phase until bloods are good to go again and then start to reintroduce higher amount of peds?

Apologies if I’ve missed the boat!

[Paul]

Hold, the last thing you want to do is diet straight away when reaching new size and bodyweight.

Holding phase 8 weeks 6 week tidy up to re set your appetite and prime you for a push up to go again for 20+ weeks.

Thanks Kuba, sounds good to me. So would you advice a 14 week health phase here or are you saying tidy up for another 2 weeks while anabolics are reintroduced?

[Paul]

@Hilly @Jordan_peters

thanks for the reply guys, how long would you expect it to take for my body to settle once dropping down to a cruise dose?

my cycle was going well until I added NPP, every increase I made was pretty simple on wether I needed to increase my Test or Primo to balance my A:E ratio, perhaps I was already at my maximum tolerable range of estrogen and the NPP tipped me over the edge and has just taken my body 3/4 weeks to tell me juggling the three compounds has been difficult! Would you continue with Ralox on the cruise dose to see if I can reduce the swelling? Thanks 😊

[Paul]

If it’s npp causing the issue then remove it. You could use a lower dose mast if you wanted another compound but test and primo cycles are sufficient and you will grow if training and food are 100%.

Thanks Ryan, I know this is person dependant but what’s the lowest dose Mast you usually feel the AI benefit on and what’s your opinion on Proviron for lowering estro too? I see lots of conflicted info online when trying to find out if it does/doesn’t! Cheers 🙂

[Paul]

Use tamoxifen/nolva in the meantime until you get your bloods done in a few weeks time. This way your e2 levels won’t be manipulated for an accurate result for your test and the risk of gyno will be mitigated in the meantime

Cheers Max. Does Tamoxifen just block the receptor not lower E2? I have Ralox on hand atm would this be an alternative you would look at? Cheers

[Paul]

Hey Tor,

Thanks for the reply 🙂 I understand the importance of Estrogen and that’s why I’m not jumping to an AI and would rather just modify my stack. I occasionally get a dull ache in my chest which I put down to my estrogen being too high and don’t want to chance gyno as I have a pea sized lump on the same side as the ache (from puberty) and I also believe it can grow without feeling the usual sensitivity symptoms.

Yeah I’ve just added the deca (not doing dbol?) and know that it aromatises but a lot less than test, it could just be me being overly cautious and the best way to know would be to get bloods but I’m not due to get them until a few weeks time.

[Paul]

its impossible for us to tell you for sure without bloods.

However its likely the issue was low E2 as max says.

So running a little more test to primo makes sense.

if I was looking to maximise muscle growth then a mix of test, NPp and primo would overall be better.

I would start on – 150/150/150 – get bloods done and then asses from there at weeks 5-6

Thank you I’ll check back with bloods in 6 weeks, would the mix of NPP and Test be better for someone who is sensitive to aromatisation, as well as being better for overall growth?

[Paul]

Hi Paul, did you do any bloodwork by any chance when your libido had crashed? I am just learning stuff myself but I think without bloodwork, it would be a little hard to pinpoint such stuff.

Not had any blood work done recently as of yet due to get some before starting this next push up to see where everything is at!

[Paul]

Sweet cheers Max, what do you think about NPP? I’ve seen some people utilise it for the last half of a push up as it can cause excessive water weight and cut the phase short.

[Paul]

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