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Rest today

So the last couple days I pulled back on the Mito stack and Reta again, and say a jump in fullness instantly ! So it’s clear in offseason it’s a balancing act .

I will just say what I’m thinking as I go , I have said a lot it takes a long time to figure out how best to use stuff like this, so I’m at no point suggesting I’m there yet , but it has to fit the goal !

So the offseason goal is max muscle , but also maintain health . Initially I thought we could out eat the stack and ramp the doses and maximise health but it defo can be way overcooked

I lowered it a couple times again and now going to lower again, basically back to my baseline I first went in on them at and the one I liked the most when I dieted , as this way we get all the insulin sensitivity benefits/ lipid / heart / kidney benefits but without the sinkhole energy deficit

So now lowering to the below

1mg mots
1mg ss31
500mcg 5 amino
50mg nad +
500mg L carn ( Pf have one and a nad that doesn’t sting !!)

It’s funny how it’s gone from this to pushing higher in a diet and not liking it and then pushing higher in an offseason and also not liking it based solely on the goal of fullness / progress . The energy and focus is high , but the use has to fit the goal

Now it’s there ! That stack could defo be ran for much longer periods at those doses

With your NAD+ i can see thats daily, is this still effective 2-3x per week?

[kano2020]

Kano

Gc1 at 50-100mcg a day
Slu pp oral at 4-6 x 300mcg Caps / day
Ss31 3mg a day
Mots c 2mg a day
5 amino 1 mq 2mg a day
Reta Upto 1mg a day
100mcg igf lr3 pwo

2mg Tesamorelin + 250mcg ipam , before bed

500mcg aod9604 on wake

500mg inject l carn pre
Workout

That whole stack would be fuckinf insane and you would be absolutely peeled 😂

ordering.. no need to say anymore lol

[kano2020]

Nath with the additions of your peptide stack, SS31, Mot C , bpc etc.
did you notice any water retention from any of these initially?

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In terms of ultimate : mito/ fat loss stack when it comes to peptides what would be your go to?
Will be getting some pro forma stuff & going full bore lol

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This is awesome – especially with the high days – so right now 2 high days then a string of low days? How low are your low days carb wise ?

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Jordan with your 5 amino 1q is that all in one go? Or is does it elicit better results if split across the day? Ie am /pm

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Really good read this. With stacking Reta & clen together, are you noticing Much of a HR increase?

[kano2020]

Hi jordan the BPC and KPV on pro forma, the capsules are 1000mcg per capsule or serving as their is no info of those

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Push today , body feels good !

Just tidying things up a little with the GH into just 2 pulses at the areas that allow for max Insuljn resistance offsetting , pre workout and during the night . The third then being post workout but I’m not using that window atm while using igf .

I’m making these adjusts based on tracking fasted GB and trying tj keep it as low as I can by consolidating / moving around GH , as it’s that which drives IR ( insulin resistance ) up

So fasted BG today 4.3 nmol/l – very good !

No am gh , 12 iu Lantus with meal 1

Pre workout meal will have 6iu fast insulin with jt , 30 mins later , 1 bottle gh ( So my GH are 10-12 iu , some are 10/11/12 , that’s how it goes with Chinese stuff ) .

Start trainjnf and sipping Intra and then 20 ish in , 1.5iu fast .

We know that 12 iu gh is going to impede glucose uptake hard ! Muscle contraction and glut 4 will over ride a lot but defo not all , and that’s where making sure adequate fast is in the vicinity of bolus GH doses .

I’m not sure about the mega doses of insulin Milos advocates . I am unsure if the physiology supports the idea that mega doses will be more anabolic , from my understanding of how those pathways work, it doesn’t , but equally he will of seen something of Merit in it with his guys . So how that looks is you move an even larger proportion of your carbs to the wo perimeter to support insulin of 25iu pre and post . I did thah with him and it works ! But I think it also comes with its own issues and ability to increase visceral fat storage due to rapid declines in IR at those doses . So I’m happy with my 6 and 1.5 for now

Post just igf lr3 , I will check BG here to see if any fast insulin is needed too , if the shake has seen me run high as the GH pre did a job on offsetting that storage and I didn’t quite cover it with enough insulin , I know to take a touch more next time as I want those intra carbs being pulled in and used , them being in the blood is useless!

No more GH rest of day , and then 1 bottle again during the night

That is the cleanest way to run 20ish iu gh a day possible , without a ton of insulin needed which will see IR drive up over time

I plan to run this 12 ish weeks and monitor bG at diff points to assess how far my IR is sliding as it will take more insulin to dk the same job over time when combined with GH

So if you hear someone say, insulin in of itself doesn’t increase IR as diabetics don’t need to up the dose always . Remember the clear counter argument , we are taking the insulin as it’s the GH causing the IR , over time the continued exposure to that GH and insulin will see a decline in IR further and need more insulin . That’s when we re jig again ( go all night time shot ) , while we re gain IS ( insulin sensitivity )

Hope this all helps explain my thinking . I’m not outsourcing this info, it’s all my own from working with Milo’s and then tweaking my own ideas based on understanding IR and IS .

The cool part here is we have reta and the mito stack working hardddd in our favour , so we need less insulin to do the same job which means more GH for longer – WIN!

This is such good info, with your mito stack ‘peptides’ do you split that up or take all AM?

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hey Jordan, really good updates on the peps/potency, prior to the reta did you ever try the pens? that have been floating around at all? i personally tried the pen vs powder, and find the powder A lot more stronger, i think that’s due to the stabilizers used in the pen, did you have experience with both or just straight onto this?

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Heya buddy I’m defo redoing the GH stack now I have a source that is testing everything as for me the visceral fat part is so so key .

The mots c and 5 amino at high doses make a big difference on it too , and once fuel and carbs are there you can push those much higher , yday I did 2mg mots and 1mg 5 amino and felt awesome because of a macro rejig and adding a few more carbs , my plan is get to 4-5mg / day mots at peak push / food with 2-3mg 5 amino , plus the tesamorelin , and then hit the aod hard on the way back down again 🙂

Absolutely epic to be honest. AOD is fantastic too so will be interesting to see your findings/progress with all things being in the mix. the post is very helpful thank you

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Hi Jordan, really enjoying this thread, i myself am having great success with the peptide front of things, especially SLU/RETA/MOT-C…
have you utiilsed CJC/Ipamorelin/Tesamorelin in the past? did you find them to be effective/worth while or not worth it…
i thought Tesamorelin was interesting down the fact of its ability to reduce visceral fat.. wondering if you had that experience if you used before?

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Hey Peter , can you share your current cycle ? i see you are on high protein diet 4+ / kg body weight. Whats your feedback for high protein in prep , do you feel any difference.

hey Tarik – i have been eating this much protein throughout off season and prep.

I do feel it has allowed me to keep overall kcal higher while getting leaner

cycle

Test – 500mg
Mast – 500mg
Tren – 500mg
Winny 50mg
proviron 50mg
Adex – 0.5mg daily now
Var – 50mg pre workout

GH – 5iu T days and 4iu rest days

T4 – 100mcg[/quote]

hi hiilly are you using slow esters this prep or fast? will you be switching the compounds to faster? if your using slow

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being a Muslim myself, Ramadan is easy to maintain. i usually use it for fat loss tbh.
so when i go back to eating more regularly , training hard again, especially if peds are involved i grow quicker and respond better…

4 meals — protein / carbs / fats / fruits
intra shake with some carbs
have some coconut water between meals/or some additional electrolytes.
scale training back to every other day, or no more then 2 days on….

can train pre iftah or post… i prefer post , purely due hydration levels… i usually stay up
for example 6pm to 5am, ill just reverse my day around.

remember this month is about deen, and very lucky were a live to see another ramadan.
keep faith, train and focus and you will be fine

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Hey Haider hope your well? Are you training 6 day in a row at the moment?

How are you splitting it up?