[Hilly]

looks okay to me, cholesterol isnt brilliant with 4,8 quotient, but HDL is good.
increase a bit cardio, remove saturated fats as good as possible and youre good ????

second this

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[Hilly]

Here’s a crazy idea: Stop taking both MK677 and Berberine for a while. Also, you might wanna talk to a psychologist about your panic disorder/hypochondriasis.

Agree with all of this lol.

MK is known to hit insulin sensitivity hard with most people so this would definitely be my first port of call to remove.

I would aim to reduce that fasting BG number

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[Hilly]

For me soy sauce is very high in salt and im not sure how great the salt is per say – as in table salt being bad and sea salt being good for us.

So based on this I always opt for the low sodium soy sauce but I use through prep as do most clients with no issues.

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I have always been under the belief that having estrogen on the lower end is best for fat loss but not 0.

I also don’t imagine this is the coach’s aim to have it at 0 but just low.

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I don’t like the way you have it for 5pm training. I would do carbs in the 2 meals pre and 1 meal post.

if training at 11pm I would have carbs in 2 meals pre and 1 meal post as soon as I finish gym.

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Supplement changes

still running all usual PCT/Fertility meds and should be getting blood and sperm test results back today or 2moror.

I have moved my Gh from pre bed to PWO with just 4iu log – This is purely just to aid in recovery while im natty and I wont be pushing these doses up at all during this phase.

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Chest/Hamstrings/glutes last night – when training a bodypart once per week these are paired together because with only having one functioning pec a chest workout isn’t very demanding at all and I need more hamstring and glutes. So I separated quads and hams and am putting them separately both with glutes as these are major weakness for me.

Seated cable fly presss – x 11/9, x 14 – same as last week
decline cable fly – x 7, x 9, x 12 – up in weight
pec dec rest pause – x 13/f/f – up in reps

Seated Ham curl – moved these to first in hamstring workout as they will be my main power movement and strength focus. – x 13/8, x FOURS – up in reps
Glute bridges on smith – x 13/10/8 – up in reps
leg press feet high – x 17, x 14 – up in weight and reps
1 leg lay curl – x 12, x 14 – same reps which is good as this was done fresh last week not at the end.

adductor RP set – x 19/f/f – up in reps.

A good workout and I could already feel my hams and glutes a little sore this morning during cardio.

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MyNameIsJeff wrote:

Hilly wrote:

Creatanine levels can be elevated just from hard training etc at times and yours are barely elevated here so i personally would not be concerned.

Incorrect. Creatine Kinase can be elevated substantially from training, but not creatinine. Also, a value 25% above the upper limit does not qualify as “barely elevated”, his values are higher than what is common in people who likely have more muscle mass and protein intake than this guy.
Most importantly, you cannot look at creatinine in isolation. I combination with elevated BUN, there is reason to believe that the elevated creatinine does indeed reflect a lower than normal (true)GFR.
To the OP: make sure thyroid panel is included in your next blood work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383162/
Although you are correct in what you say I am not incorrect either. As you can see in the study here there are many reasons and possibilities.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2390952/
Again higher muscle mass/exercise and protein intake can cause elevations in serum creatanine levels as I said.
So to the OP I personally would not be concerned however if you are worried in the slightest then do as Jeff states above. We are just people on the internet giving our opinion, as I stress in every health based post if you are worried always consult your GP

“In this study, individuals with moderate/intense physical activity presented higher urinary creatinine, probably as a result of the larger muscle mass and the higher mean protein and meat intake consumed by these individuals.”
Hence, it’s not the exercise that elevates creatinine, but rather the fact that physically active people have more muscle mass and higher protein and creatine intake. The fact that the latter influence creatinine is well-known of course, and I factored that into my assessment of his creatinine levels. High-normal to slightly elevated levels are indeed normal in bodybuilders. But look at someone like JP, he has much more muscle mass than the OP, trains harder and probably has higher protein intake. Yet his creatinine is barely out of range. The same is true for the vast majority of bodybuilders whose blood work I have seen. Similarly, elevated BUN is very rare even in bodybuilders. In the case of the poster above it did not correspond to decreased kidney function, but it is still an abnormal finding and should be followed up since it generally indicates insufficient kidney function.
The other paper states that “intense exercise can increase creatinine by increasing muscle breakdown”. But it only cites 2 studies on people with rhabdo. In the case of rhabdo, myoglobin acutely damages the kidney, thereby lowering filtration rate and hence leading to elevated creatinine. But outside of this condition, even very intense resistance exercise does not lead to elevated creatinine levels the following days. So it is not like in the case of transaminase levels being elevated in the days after an intense workout.
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All very interesting but still what I said wasn’t incorrect lol.

People who exercise have larger muscle mass lol.

I.e a bodybuilder that uses AAS and eats more protein is going to have elevated creatinine.

Like almost every one who post blood work on here.

Thus again with the risk of repeating myself I personally would not be worried.

However please all re read my post abt taking care of your own health with your GP etc ????

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High creatinine levels from bloodwork

[Hilly]

I have heard of those with anxiety issues being made worse with compounds such as Deca n EQ. I have 2 clients like this so we use test only cycles

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@hilly okay, but on my thread on bulk cycle for 12 months you adviced me to do 8-10 weeks on and 4 weeks off completely as the aas are in my system, this is why I asked you if you take low dose test and other drugs.
Thanks!

Yes but this method is how I would do it for myself.

Not what you posted in your thread.

You asked for serious ultimate mass to increase 10kg which is asking a lot

To do this would require shorter break periods.

This thread is asking a different thing.

Everything is situation dependent n there are several ways to do all. No right or wrong way.

If breaking for longer then 4 weeks then you will need to be on a cruise dose

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@hilly when you say 4-6 weeks cruide/tidy up. What do you mean about this? You are cometeley off steroids or only take small amounts? Will you use Pregnyl and clomid or tamoxifen during this periods? Diet keep the same or lower calories during this phase of 4 – 6 weeks?

This thread is called blast and cruise.

A cruise is low dose test for Trt.

Yes I do use some of those drugs with myself n clients during cruise phases

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Sounds Good Hilly. I’ll probably do similar approatch for next year. just wondering about post comp “rebound” since it’s been A long cyckle i would start with 6-7 weeks cruise and slowly adding kcals, but im not sure if going all in straight after comp wouldnt be a better idea and keep it for another 6-8 weeks post comp then cruise tide

Running a rebound post show is the only way in my opinion unless you need to come off for health or fertility reasons.

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Hilly wrote:

Creatanine levels can be elevated just from hard training etc at times and yours are barely elevated here so i personally would not be concerned.

Incorrect. Creatine Kinase can be elevated substantially from training, but not creatinine. Also, a value 25% above the upper limit does not qualify as “barely elevated”, his values are higher than what is common in people who likely have more muscle mass and protein intake than this guy.

Most importantly, you cannot look at creatinine in isolation. I combination with elevated BUN, there is reason to believe that the elevated creatinine does indeed reflect a lower than normal (true)GFR.

To the OP: make sure thyroid panel is included in your next blood work.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383162/

Although you are correct in what you say I am not incorrect either. As you can see in the study here there are many reasons and possibilities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2390952/

Again higher muscle mass/exercise and protein intake can cause elevations in serum creatanine levels as I said.

So to the OP I personally would not be concerned however if you are worried in the slightest then do as Jeff states above. We are just people on the internet giving our opinion, as I stress in every health based post if you are worried always consult your GP

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High creatinine levels from bloodwork

[Hilly]

So Ck levels reflect muscle/heart damage.

I can imagine on Tren both are getting damaged more than when not to an extent.

Plus tren equals more strength and aggression which will likely mean even harder training and even higher CK levels.

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I would go NPP all day and it will give you the same benefits in regards to joints if you get these from Deca.

I would go 300 test and 200mg NPP to start injected MWF

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