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I would just use 250mg test and 200mg primobolan intitially – I think going in to aggressive with the EQ and parabolan – I also think that dose of EQ to test ratio will crash E2

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2 options

First as J says keeping test lower , some primo and then using mast to drive overall load up.

Second if you were wanting to use more test then looking to use some EQ to control E2. It works better than primo in most IME and is also less harsh on lipids from what I see in blood work.

Thanks Hilly,
Out of interest, as 200mg puts me E2 over 400, would reducing my Test to 125mg per week be sensible and using 275mg mast alongside to make up the total load to 400mg as a starting base of cut cycle? Bloods being ran in 3 weeks. Titrate up from there on with mast alone?
I microdose daily so would roughly be 0.07ml Test per day[/quote]
personally i would not be wanting to use synthetic testosterone and have myself in the normal natural range so I dont like the idea of dropping that back down.

I guess its possible with the Gh being HCG – I wouldn’t say its likely but you could put it on a pregnancy test and see if it comes up positive is this is a very basic test for seeing if HGH is HCG –

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also GH -4iu would suffice IMHO

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I’ve discovered since this post my primo I sent off some time ago – is fake through janoshik unfortunately. So moving forward with your push up advice.

I’m thinking to go into a push up phase in 1-2 weeks. Add 50 grams of oats pre and post training days, 15 grams peanut butter morning and night on rest days to my current plan. Assess weight gain from there. Change 40 minutes stairs to 30 minutes bike. Add in 350 eq as primo is no longer an option, some sparring arimidex until EQ is saturated.

What do you think of this? Am I pushing the food up too conservatively? I’m considering 5IU GH as well. Or should 4IU suffice? Thank you.

this sounds sensible to me – its very cautious on the food increases but you know your body and I do not. All you can do is make small increases and asses every 3-7 days and move from there. Your advantage when doing this yourself is you can literally check yourself day to day and asses 🙂

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Hi hilly! Thanks for your in depth response.

My pulling phase initially was to become lean to sensitize for a push up phase. History wise I’ve done two shows with two seperate but reputable coaches. Clearly they weren’t as good as their reputation.

they both put me on a boatload of drugs, did lots wrong and I looked a lot less good then I do now. Since I arrived here with much less cardio and drugs it’s become a bit of a vendetta to pull that last fat off self coached, using less drugs. It’s regained me a lot of confidence in myself and as a bodybuilder. Perhaps I’m flying too close to the sun in my efforts to prove myself however, missing the Forrest for the trees.

unfortunately this happens far to often and I understand the want to get all the way down, for me as explained I just think it may be to over focused on one area and it may well be for no reason and hamper long term progress.

Its always your choice and if its something you want to do then its something you want to do. I just feel it won’t help you any more in the long run personally.

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Thurs – Travelled back from tenerife today – back to plan from 2moro

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I’m with J. If I had to train EOD I would be doing Full body

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8 lbs down from when? After the low days and the high day? If you dropped again after the high day you can just repeat that again for a second day in a row and then assess from there. If you get the bump needed from that you can pull back down rinse and repeat

Following the first refeed day. The second dah left me 4lbs up.

Appreciate the feedback. How do you guys assess when the correct time to refeed is?[/quote]
Few things

Perfomance drops off alot
No pump at all in gym
Don’t seem to connect well with muscles
Dead feeling to legs
Brain fog
Poor sleep

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Do cardio daily – easy move that will get things moving nicely

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As Above – we need more information about yourself

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Could be a couple of things.

BG spikes as your eating very low fat here and if you have come out of a period of not being on Plan or a big off season you may be running low BG

Salt maybe to high skewing electrolytes – 12 g added salt is alot and would cause issues for some

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Can I ask why the focus on glute detail of your not looking to step on Stage ? Is it just a personal goal

As the work / suffering n possible sacrifice in training performance would not make sense to me just to see more glute derail n then instantly move to a growth phase

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