[Hilly]

People have been using this for decades mate – it’s a time tested approach that works well. Most of us use it with T days being higher than R days and then a high day when needed.

I have also used set H/M/L days and that also worked well

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[Hilly]

Personally i would either remove the NPP and look to drugs like primo/masteron or look to use something like EQ which will control E2 in most very well indeed as you clearly aromatise alot

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[Hilly]

I would buy a klow blend from profroma and dilute it in 300iu (3ml water). Take 10iu pre bed as a maintenance dose, 20iu or even 30iu if dealing with niggles.

SS31 – I am not a fan but if want to run 1mg per day
Mots C – 1mg per day on wake IMO
NAD+ – 50mg x 3 per week.

impossible to advise on duration as we dont really have any actual research to show what is safe and what is not but I feel 12-16 week runs with a 4-6 week break is sensible.

personally I run the Klow and Mots C 5 days a week year round.

I would not mix any personally but I know some that mix them and dont seem to have issues

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[Hilly]

As kuba says it depends on if you need it and if you do how much of a strong response you need based on blood work plus how you respond to the drugs.

usual go to drugs would be Eq or primo.

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[Hilly]

I dont bother really – As due to half life makes little sense to me or much of an effect pulling out for just one day or 2 days unless using a real high dose which is rarely to never the case for people these days.

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[Hilly]

It will just be the carrier oil I imagine bud

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[Hilly]

id be taking the test to 900mg and the Eq to 200-220mg personally as my change based on what ive seen before in my own bloods.

the key for you here is working out what works best for you. Pulling the mast would not effect my E2 at all, it would just obviously lower total Mg load

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So just got humalog and a bgm, in what intervalls after pinning+eating would you advice checking bg? Every 20mins?every 30 mins?

Also do you check this at home to find your set insulin:carb ratio at first then do it whilst working out?

Thanks!

You really should have some one guiding you through this bud as it needs to be tailored to yourself which is impossible to do properly on the forum like this.

However as an example if you are doing this on high days like JH does.

check BG pre meal 1

Add 5iu to meal 1 – check BG 60 minutes post meal 1 and 120 minutes and 180 minutes. – the numbers should come back down nicely to were it roughly was pre meal 2 but not keep falling. If it does then you need to look at the macros and balance of that meal.

then your next 1-2 doses would depend how your day looks in terms of training timings etc[/quote]

Soo then i’ve found out said ratio to be x:y, could this said ratio then be used but split up in say pre+intra carb + pre insulin? Eg, 100c + 10iu works and and then 100c pre, 50c intra + 15iu?

Or do i have to find out by going 100c + 10iu works so lets do 100c pre+50c intra + 10iu, then 11iu, then 12 iu until i find what brings me a few points above hypo?

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It will be different around workout to normal meal use and vary from workout to workout down to expenditure so always be careful and have extra carbs.

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[Hilly]

thursday – Rest day

12k steps

5 meals in

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Wed – training day.

I had Arilena until 5pm today so had to train late and it was a rushed one but as my lower back is still sore and not right it had to be an adusted workout anyway

meals in – 5
steps – 12k

legs

1 leg ham curls – 5 x 10-12
1 leg extensions – 5 x 10-12
Adductor – 3 x 12-15
leg press – 3 x 12 – 4 second negative

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[Hilly]

I can’t understand this but if upper body was a priority

Push
Pull
Legs
Off
Upper
Off
Off

Or
Push
Pull
Legs
Off
Push
Pull
Off

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[Hilly]

Hi mate, sometimes we can overthink simple stuff because the results don’t happen quick enough. This endeavour is a game of patience, consistency and delayed gratification.

As long as you’re training with accuracy and high intensity, I’d personally run Upper Lower in this instance. 2/3 sets per muscle group on legs, see how recovery is and adjust if need be.

Upper Lower also means you train legs after your upper work and that helps the issue you have with falling behind on push work.

Agree 100%

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[Hilly]

Hit a full body session once per week. Hit it hard and heavy compound lifts.

Do 2 at home workouts – upper / lower that are high rep circuit style workouts.

This would work well , I’ve done it with clients

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[Hilly]

If you are someone who can sit higher with Jen and not actually feel the effects yes it’s not a necessity for you to need to have to take it down if you aren’t getting the sites but it is just something to stay aware of

If you are wanting to try it at the small dose that you’ve suggested it’s something that you could use for those first four weeks if there is a negative response you know that it’s potentially something not for you if it was me I wouldn’t then try to offset it with an AI I would just essentially choose a stack that is more ideal for you

Meg,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Your suggestion of going for 4 weeks as an assessment is very practical. I pull bloods every 4 weeks as I push up doses anyway so this would be a no-drama, sensible approach.

I admit I wasnt expecting your last suggestion, though it makes a lot of sense too – if I need an AI then look for something else. In this case would you be thinking something like mast or primo, or even EQ?

I was working under the assumption to push and grow, the AI is inevitable in the end, unless a different estrogen favoring compound is used with the test. But I was under the impression mast/primo and even EQ are not very anabolic and good for muscle growth like NPP, but I could be utterly wrong there.

Time for more research. Thanks for your thoughts Meg, these have got me thinking.

Nick.

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All Anabolic steroids are anabolic and work well.

EQ works and controls E2 well
Primo as above
Masteron works and can stop high E2 sides due to mechanism but won’t directly lower E2 in most

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[Hilly]

I think this is why people make the whey into a paste and put on top bud

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