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Also – make sure you aim to get 4-5 meals a day.

Evenly spread the macros out over the 4-5 meals –

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Thank you guys very much for all of the help.

Current Diet :

Drink Half Gal 1% Chocolate Milk

Throughout Day (252g Carbs 88g Protein)

M1 Oatmeal (66g Carbs)

M2 Protein Shake (30g Protein)

M3 2 80/20 Burgers, 2 Babybel (46g Protein 50g Carbs)

Pre 3 Rice Krispy (42g Carbs)

Intra (50g Carbs) Gatorade Powder

Post (60g Carbs 25g Protein Cereal)

this looks terrible to me.

Have you dont any sort of reading or watched any of the education videos on here about setting up a meal plan.

protein wants to be at 1lb per body weight.
Kcal at say 15 per 1lb of bodyweight to start – then work from from here.

once you have worked out protein – so if your 200lb then you need 200g protein – 800kcal – complete the rest from carbs and fats.

If you dont gain weight after 10 days look to up the calories

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Hi Jordan,

Ok then hcg use will wait until I get a good understanding of my estro levels on this amount of test, thanks for the recomendation.

I think pinning into fat and very often should lead to the most steady blood concentration, mitigating sides. I thought low dose wouldn’t be a problem subq.

When it comes to stacking mast/primo with test I understand it should be better, but i’m kinda scared about hairloss. Do you think still worth the try and maybe switch to just test if I notice hairloss?

Having Ran my TRT dose daily switched between MWF, daily IM and daily subq I didn’t notice any reduction in E2 from Im to subq as people presume would happen –

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Thanks for the advice all and appreciate the feedback.

All seem to be roughly the same with 300 test 100/200primo and add in primo as needed after

Hoping to do a junior show end of next year so need this growth phase to be decent lol

great idea bud – you have all the tools and potential based on this to do extremely well and the work ethic 🙂

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Great !

Thanks guys.

That’s what I have done previously also, just seeing what others may do and for what reason. Does seem to be the general consensus. I will say that possibly my increases are a little slow comparably.

I tend to do 4 week blocks but I am seeing increaes every 2-3 weeks for some others.

Maybe I could bridge the gap and not jump up as dramatically ?

I tend to increase every 6-8 weeks -i see no point in every 2-4 weeks – it takes 3-4 weeks for hormones to adjust to the new level and then re balance out

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For those that suffer with gyno nova can be used alongside an ai to help reduce the lumps.

Perfect so it’s better to not put them if the person doesn’t have problems of high e2 or gyno even if the dosages are high right ?[/quote]
Depends on the goal/environment and other drugs being used.

In a pre setting I will use an AI almost all of the time towards the last stages.
In an off season very very rarely

Nolva – I rarely use these days at all but occasionally some one does need it.

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Wed – Cardio done

Missed 1 meal today – As I had to visit dentist and get a filling done which was not fun but only the 1 meal missed.
trained FB and was a good session up in UF

Only work sets to failure listed

Standing machine laterals – 2 sets – up n reps
Rear delts – x 1 set
1 arm preacher curls – 2 sets – up in reps
1 arm Tri PD – 2 sets – up in reps
EZ curl SS OH tri extension – Superset -2 sets
Prime upper back row – 2 sets
1 arm Prime lat focused row – 1 set – up in reps
Chest press – 2 sets – up in reps
Seated ham curl – 1 set – same
extensions – 1 set – up in reps
1 leg hip press – same

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I dont like the lower lay outs.

Having jsut hack squat in the first lower and then having deadlifts/leg press and squats all n the second is going to be a nightmare for recovery IMO.

I would move the deadlifts to lower A and move the hip thrust to lower B

Upper looks fine to me

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I think you are over thinking this a bit with the lengthen and shortened ranges. The converging press would be a wiser choice in my opinion as Oscar suggests

I agree here TBH.

I would try both – See which one feels the best in terms of connection within the work and then go at it hard – when it stalls switch to the other

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As with everything int his game – most of the stuff works as long as your training your arse off.

The real keys are

do not over analyse
Do not chop and change every 6-8 weeks
Train harder than the previous session every session.
Log what your doing to some extent.

then focus on progression and recovery – make notes, learn and adapt based on how your body responds and just as importantly what you Enjoy doing.

Dorian got huge from lifting 4 times a week 1 body part per week
Ronnie got huge training 3 on 1 off or 6 days a week and hitting things twice a week I do believe.
jay got huge training twice a day.

You only have to look across all decades of BB to see the trend is that all the big guys trained hard as hell and were very very strong –

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I would look to purchase Scott Stevenson Be your own BB coach – likely the best piece of material to read you will find on this to cover a base understanding.

From here its either looking to book education consultations with people you feel you would learn from well and seem to have a similar Ethos or look to some of the Education platforms now available.

There are so many ways to approach peak week and so many different situations and then how relevant things are to each person and what look your trying to get or division they may be in its possible to really give general insights.

for example I can have 4-6 people competing in the same weekend and all will be doing something different and you will find for most experienced coaches this will be the same

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Nolva does not reduce E2. It just stops binding at the receptor

AI directly reduces E2

And there is a sense to put both ? [/quote]
yes in certain situations for certain people –

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first mate – mad impressive stuff and all done super carefully and sensibly – yes it was a long period on cycle but its all on very low doses of the healthiest drugs you could choose more or less so a big pat on the back.

Once you cruise and get bloods done as Nath says I would go

300mg test, 100mg primo.

Take a step into 400mg as you are at the last phase of the cycle (not including the var so your still under total dosing.

then re do bloods for hormones at week 5-6 and see were this ratio of drugs puts your E2 level and prolactin at. For alot of people 200 test and 300 primo would crash there E2 and make them feel pretty crap

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Nolva does not reduce E2. It just stops binding at the receptor

AI directly reduces E2

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Tuesday- rest day

No cardio however have been on feet all day at a kids Halloween thing so output is good.

All meals will go in.

Training FB 2moro

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