[Hilly]

based on alot of literature it seems fine to run these drugs for extended periods of time.

However I would not be running them permanently for ever of course.

None of us can tell you if its safe for you to do so as we all respond differently but I am yet to see 1 person have low thyroid issues from extended use, Myself as an example ran both of these for around 2 years and my thyroid bounced back totally fine.

Personally I dont see the need for continues t3 use aside from septic individuals at a certain level unless blood work shows you need it.

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[Hilly]

if you want the answer to the hypertrophy process and how it occurs during the different mechanisms then you need to read educational books on it mate – its way to much detail to be explained by some one on here.

Dont over complicate this process as so many do now.

Focus on getting stronger.
focus on keeping execution good.
Focus on training how you enjoy.

This is a fantastic read and very very good for learning – Brad also has some great YouTube videos but IMO every one should look to read and learn this stuff.

https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/fulltext/2010/10000/the_mechanisms_of_muscle_hypertrophy_and_their.40.aspx

Read the full thing twice at least – this fully covers your question in all the detail you could ever want

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[Hilly]

if you feel things have stalled and your simlpy loosing performance in the gym, food focus is getting silly out then it is defo time for a diet break.

Personally I would move back to maintain kcal for 3-4 weeks – asses body comp and hen decide if your ok to move into a surplus by a small amount for 4 weeks to come back down or simply come back down after the 4 week diet break.

This would depend on how much fat is still there and how bad things were at the end of the cut in terms of the things I mentioned initially

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[Hilly]

It very much depends were the E2 sides are and what’s needed to bring it down.

Personally I would then go 400mg test, 200mg mast and 100mg primo – giving you the same total dose as your last cycle and check bloods at week 5-6

So test should be higher than mast and primo? I’m still learning so sorry if I don’t fully understand some things,
I already have 4 vials of mast so I’m just deciding on the test and primo dosages so I can place an order soon. Would primo be worth the money doing at only 100mg a week?
Speaking that I already have 4 vials of mast my dosage can be around 400mg a week so what ratio of test and primo would tailor that that specific amount best
Also worth saying that I’m thinking of taking hcg throughout the cycle to make the pct a little easier on me[/quote]

Test should be were you want it to be and in ratio with other drugs that control E2 for yourself – also based on short term goal and how you react.

There is only so much we can do for you here bud in terms of advice – you asked recommendations for third cycle – This is what I would do 🙂

you then have to take our advice and find out what works best for you – and tailor things to your goals [/quote]

Thank you man I do appreciate the advice, Just one more question. From my research I see mast not really being used for a push and instead more of a cut. I’m looking to do a 20-30 lbs push on this cycle so would test/mast/primo help in that regards to my goals[/quote]
As long as your eating enough these drugs can well be used to grow yes.

You will see other drugs being favoured for push ups manly deca/NPP and this is a more anabolic drug for sure but comes with more sides – I feel the current recommendations are better suited for a third cycle and more healthier approach.

Especially when you feel like you get higher E2 sides and this drug will aromatise even more so than just the test did

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[Hilly]

Rest day today.

Walk on wake.

Meals on point. Carbs low.

I am in hull for the pca first timers show.

Client alex won medium BB. Just waiting for overall now.

Not much to note today.

Will train 2moro

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Friday – took some melatonin gummie a mate sent me and felt super groggy all morning reminding me why I dont use them. Sleep was solid however.

Cardio done
Super busy work day and travelled to Hull for a client competing 2moro.
all meals in

Trained back in UF HULL tonight which is a great gym.

Overhand pull downs – x 8, x 8, x 13F
1 am lat focused PD – x 8, x 11F, x 6F – same weight both sets
Seated upper back row – x 8, x 12F
Chest supported T bar – x 8, x 6F with a double drop set
1 arm seated row – x 10/10/9F – all hard sets with the same weight
V grip row with over exaggerate stretch 2 x 15- 20 reps not hitting true failure
Traps – 2 x 15-20 reps

PWO 10 mins cardio

Good session, strength was decent and pump was good.

i seem to be holding a chunk water this week which is annoying me – presuming E2 is high so going to order a finger prick test from medic heck

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[Hilly]

I would taper this down.

i would leave the cardio at 30 minutes but bring steps down to 15k – then asses what happens with look and body weight and decide if you need to alter food from there to get things steady and then sit there for a while before you re asses –

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[Hilly]

It very much depends were the E2 sides are and what’s needed to bring it down.

Personally I would then go 400mg test, 200mg mast and 100mg primo – giving you the same total dose as your last cycle and check bloods at week 5-6

So test should be higher than mast and primo? I’m still learning so sorry if I don’t fully understand some things,
I already have 4 vials of mast so I’m just deciding on the test and primo dosages so I can place an order soon. Would primo be worth the money doing at only 100mg a week?
Speaking that I already have 4 vials of mast my dosage can be around 400mg a week so what ratio of test and primo would tailor that that specific amount best
Also worth saying that I’m thinking of taking hcg throughout the cycle to make the pct a little easier on me[/quote]
Test should be were you want it to be and in ratio with other drugs that control E2 for yourself – also based on short term goal and how you react.

There is only so much we can do for you here bud in terms of advice – you asked recommendations for third cycle – This is what I would do 🙂

you then have to take our advice and find out what works best for you – and tailor things to your goals

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Weight 209.5lb – week 4 on cruise dose

Took some proper check in pics this morning and compared them to when I was 8 weeks out last year on full prep cycle and I am pretty happy. If im the same weight and not far off condition wise being more relaxed per say and taking no were near the drugs and just 2iu gh instead of 6iu then I am quite confident there is some good tissue been gained.

the plan was to grow from here but I am very tempted to push a little leaner to be honest as im in a good spot to do so – see how I feel over the weekend

Trained legs today and was a good session

Cardio was done on wake

Legs

1 leg standing ham curls – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 13F plus partials
Extensions – x 10, x 8, x8, x 14F plus partials
smith squats – x 8, x 8, x 10F – lovely on the cybe with with what seems to be no lower back pain so I am going to keep at these for a while
1 leg hip press – x 8, x 13F
Lay ham curls – x8, x 12F
Adductor – x 15, x 13F

Training will stay as is – base volume on back/legs and then additional volume on other areas that need bringing up but not alot –

subq TRt set up will stay another 2 weeks for a total of 4 weeks before I get bloods done to see how things look.

I will then over the next few days decide if I push a little harder to keep digging to put me in the leanest position possible for growing or simply move to my slow steady lean growth phase

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Just a follow up to this post. I had bloods done just to see where I was after surgery using ROHM 200mg test cyp per week split over MWF injection and bloods take Monday AM which puts me at 33nmol.

This is around half of where my levels were a year ago (64nmol) running the exact same dose, lab, injection protocol etc so I feel it’s not coincidence.

I will be switching labs for sure.

Defo makes sense to switch agreed

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[Hilly]

if your only checking hormones then it is totally fine IMO

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[Hilly]

to utlise a free meal the best IMO would be to put it the night before a weaker body part bud. It will then fuel the following session.

However if your not in a prep phase, have something good quality every 2 weeks that is untracked with family or friends and its not slowing progress down for the current goal then there is 0 to feel guilty of IMO.

On the other hand you never need to have an off plan meal – Can always just high day etc

Thanks for the reply Hilly.

Yeah I get what you’re saying. If and when I have my next one I’ll have it before my push sessions as my chest is my weakest body part.

When having a high day, how much more carbs:fats do you normally add for the day? [/quote]
very person depending bud – start with double carbs and asses

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[Hilly]

agree with the gents above

you could also use EQ at 200-300mg, this will work very well indeed if you tend to aromatise heavily and get high E2 sides

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[Hilly]

based on the info here and not knowing how you have responded to drugs in the past I would suggest.

300mg test, 300mg primo and 150mg NPP – split MWF for 6 weeks.

Asses progrèss and bloods and then decide based on all of these how you want to step the cycle forward if there is a need based on all feedback

this is if the goal is to grow which im presuming it is

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Wednesday – Cardio done
weight 211lb so holding well as we enter week 4 of this cruise phase. 2 more weeks and ill be 4 weeks on subq TRT and will get bloods done.

Most important thing of today is Arilena slept perfectly and was again a little super start without her Dummy this morning and bounced into nursery. Made me real happy and put me in a great mood for the day.

all meals in.

Trained delts/chest today and was a pretty decent workout.

Cable Y raises – x 8, x 12F, x 10F
Cable rear delts – x 8, x 15F, x 13F
Seated Db laterals – x 15F, x 13F, x 8F – all same weight
Machine press with a true 3 second negative and dead stop – x 15, x 13f, x 10F

pec dec – x 15, x 13F, x 10F
Seated chest press – x 8, x 9F, x 6F
Chest focused dips – x 8, x 15F, x 12F

PWO stairs 15 minutes

Legs 2moro, got to pick a friend up from the airport at 10:30pm so sleep is going to be reduced but that is life.

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