[Hilly]

I dont see the need for aromasin at all IME and its something I have never done while having countless clients run successful PCT.

What I find most effective.

3-4 weeks clearance time.

1500iu HCG MWF for 3 weeks.
Then run 100mg clomid for 5 days with 20mg nolvadex
Then 50mg clomid with 20mg nolvadex for 25 days.

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[Hilly]

Firstly , well done on that initial push ! That takes a lot of strength , from an ED perspective .

Don’t over think this 70kg number and how lean it is, your new to this and learning , but you already understand the process needed to actually change, so that is HUGE! Many never grasp it and never change

From 70kg I would be keen for you to go to 80kg again but patiently , really let that take 20-24 weeks

Where these phases can still yield minimal results, is if they are rushed .

So 20-24 week push and then a slow diet ! Back to 70kg , where then I guarentee it will be much leaner , and then after that back to 80kg but the next diet will likely only be to say 72kg but that will be even leaner again !

This game takes time , and it’s going to be a slow patient process , but you will get yourself to a lean 80kg in a few years which will just look absolutely unreal vs the skinny fat 68kg start point

Patience , and hard training 🙂

couldnt agree with this more

having spent over a decade working with patients and clients who have ED I fully appreciate all your points here and just how well you have done.

The key thing J has stated here is being patient and doing this properly which you seem ton be doing.

you dont need to get lean lean when you are under muscled just a good level of body fat to push up, for yourself I feel it would be counter productive to focus on pushing down to lean.

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[Hilly]

Hi Bud – i cant see results at all – Can you repost or type them out please with ranges

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Weight – 214.5lb – so up from yesterdays eating.

No Am cardio as Arilena was up super early as per.

Trained arms and Pro cardio – Was a rushed session as super busy with work and wanted to be back for Arilena.

Rope curl to forehead SS with rope PD – 4 x 12-15 reps

EZ cable curl – x 8, x 8, x 10F
OH cable extensions -x 8, x 8, x 9F

Duale cable curl – x 8, x 12F
Crucific PD – x 8, x 11F

Stand Db curl – x 8, x 11F
V grip PD – x 8, x 13F

Cardio. -15 mins stairs, 15 minutes incline treadmill

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[Hilly]

Are you currently in a growth or diet phase – As haider says when BF creeps up we can get more sides.

However as you say this doesn’t seem to make alot of sense and it would be very rare for some one to get issues like this when E2 is barely over range especially if you were not getting issues before hand – unless you are a fair bit fatter/watery.

How recent is the itchy nip – Are we talking a couple of days or a couple of weeks – what is your current injection schedule?

I would be switching to daily jabs if not doing so currently.
I would add in 25mg proviron daily

i would be seeing if this improved things before I added anything else in – if it didnt then I would add in 10mg nolva and go from there

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[Hilly]

I will always give it a week personally running consistent with a food bump and then asses –

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If i have blood work in range i still push ?

hello hud – it really is impossible to lay this out in advance. You push for as long as you can make gains for and keep body comp sensible.

You then clean up as quickly as you can and get back to growing bud

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if you are still feeling good, blood work is good, strength is progressing and body comp is good then yes

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Hello leon.

that is correct yes – you run the HCG first and then the other 2 drugs after

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Sunday – a chilled day in terms of output as had loads to sort out and then got Arilena back earlier than planned due to her Mum not being well – which was awesome to open present with her etc.

just 4 meals in today –
No cardio done
No training done.

Weight was 211.5lb so holding steady

i am re running the current diet week this week – so food will be low and then taking some proper check in pics Friday – I will then start slowly coming back up.

I am going to play about with some subq test dosing the next 3 weeks while I finish up this cruise phase –

So I will be doing 25mg Test E subq daily.

Gh will be just 2.5iu Pharma pre bed – until I reach a settled base in terms of food and body weight holding around 210lb – I will then start the next phase of coming up slowly with the goal of growing and holding as close to this body comp as I physically can.

I want to compare pics at this current weight to were I was at the same weight 8 weeks out last year – as that was full blown prep cycle 12 weeks in and this will be 4 weeks into a cruise with no were near the drugs used before –

so it will give a good indication of if I have gained muscle etc.

I really want to have a full 9-10 months of growing with a focus on seeing just how lean I can stay if I nail things 100% – I am in no rush and I really want to see if long term this allows me to maintain sensitivity better and thus my ability to get food in as I get heavier –

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with those above – Defo sounds like you need a total break to me – 4-5 days minimum for me and then asses how you feel

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[Hilly]

hello hud – it really is impossible to lay this out in advance. You push for as long as you can make gains for and keep body comp sensible.

You then clean up as quickly as you can and get back to growing bud

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[Hilly]

Sat – Weight was 211lb. – so that came back on simply by hydrating properly.

Awful travel day today – was up at 3am Dubai time and didnt get into the house till 4pm UK time – I feel terrible at the minute so getting some food tonight and then an early night so I can sort things out in the house and catch up on work before I get Arilena back which I cant wait for.

Trained back straight off the plane with a client as linked up with 2 prep clients to run through posing – not the greatest idea but needs must.

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Weight dipped hard today. 206-207lb but I was at a beach club yesterday from 2pm n then out on the night for my birthday

So food was down a lot as was fluid n I sweated in the sun all day

Rested today. No cardio done.

No meal plan followed. Just worked n relaxed n packed for home 2moro

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[Hilly]

As Kuba says – bloods will tell all.

without that we are just guessing but its usual to get swings like this when people go from that dose down to 150mg IMO if all is dosed accurately

Yeah thanks Peter. I just worry now that the gear I’m using is fake. I don’t think it is as quanta have always been good to me but again bloods should tell all.[/quote]
Yeh I havnt seen any bad quanta results

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Thursday- weight 211.4 – up a little from new low 210.4 yesterday

On wake – delts / chest

Weight holding steady considering no gh in 8 days and no gear

Stand DB laterals – x 8, x13f, x 11f –
Cable rear delts – x 8, x 12f, x 10f
Cable front raise A x 12, x 12f, x 10f
1 arm cable lateral – x 15f, x 12

Decline chest press – x 8, x 12f, x 10f
Incline chest press – x 8, x15f, x 11f
Ped Dec – x 15f, x 12f

Cardio – 20 mins pwo
Will go walk this evening to

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