[Hilly]

Wed – leg day and high day – feel much better in myself

No cardio done as Arilena was up at 4:45am again

All high day meals in no issues.

legs was a very good sessions.

Ham curls – x 10, x 10, x 7F
Extensions – x 10, x 10, x 6F with partials
1 leg leg press with true 3 second neg – x 8, x 8, x 14F
Leg press – x 20, x 20, x 21F
Seated ham curls – x 12F – no more has hamstring hurt here
Adductor – x 15, x 12, x 10F

little lower volume – felt great throughout.

Knees feel loads better with cycle adjustment so very happy here indeed

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[Hilly]

the only potential 2 issues are .

E2 spikes causing some high Estrogen sides.

Desensitisation over time to the drug.

i would just finish your PCT fully and then wait 8 weeks and recheck sperm before you considered something like this.

Has sperm always been low or is it just low now while on cycle

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what did your coach say when you asked him bud? Its this stuff you pay him for? You need to trust in him 100%

This all to me makes sense to me tho

I thought about what you said more, the fact that I asked whether if it’s good or not means I wasn’t trusting him completely yet. I am indeed following his diet and program but not 100% trust yet which I’ve realized as I reflected on it more. It’s my first time having a coach, I will work on trusting him 100%. Thanks for the feedback by the way.[/quote]
what we are here for buddy 🙂

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Agree with the above – slow and steady wins the race here for sure.

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I’m with Haider here. I would take things a little more steady next time around. However, now you’re at this point, I’d continue as you are, but use cardio and steps to increase the deficit before dropping more food.

I totally agree with this! Sometimes I just need reassurance haha! Might be the low cals affecting my thinking capacity but I’m not planning to drop anymore food from this point forward. But I was curious if anyone has pushed T3 and if it’s a good thing to do to push that metabolism higher. I know it may eat up some tissue but since I’ve included tren I guess the anti catabolic agent will help prevent it. I could also be wrong but here to learn[/quote]
I would have no issues with pushing t3 to 50mcg for this 4 weeks run in to maximise fat loss.

If your goal is to simply drop as much body fat in this time then you simply do what is needed to do so.

I would keep the high day in as long as rate of fat loss is good but if it doesn’t seem to be at the time then I would hold off on referring until your strength takes a hit or you feel like you need it

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this seems pretty strange to me,

So your testing your BG

then jabbing 10iu humalog

Then re testing in 30 minutes and seeing no change at all.

How close are you eating to this testing process ?

Have you tested at 60 and 90 minutes.

As my thinking is if your hitting a high carb meal and testing the BG and hitting the slin and then re testing you may not see a drop as the BG read will be going up from the carbs being consumed and thus staying the same initially likely means the insulin is working.

Does that make sense?

Hey Peter, thanks for the reply. I waited with the first pin until my BG was stabilized from my last meal (~90).

An update on this actually, 2 hours later I started to go a bit hypo (BG was 52) and had to eat extra carbs to stabilize my BG again. Another 2 hours later (4 hours since the initial jab) I got ANOTHER huge drop in bg (Also ~50) that almost made me go hypo and I had to eat extra carbs again.

My body just seems to respond very late to fast acting insulin, however this would explain why I always thought I had bad insulin pens as I had tested novo and humalog from 3 different suppliers and I thought they were all bad. Weird

Considering the way my body responds to humalog, instead of injecting 8iu 30 min prewo and 8iu postwo I’m considering just injecting 16iu 1-1,5hrs pre workout, as my body seems to absorb it very slowly and when it kicks in it seems to keep on lowering BG for a couple of hours. So this way I would get my drops in BG throughout the whole intraworkout and post workout window. Thoughts?

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based on this it would make sense to me to inject your 8-10iu with your pre workout meal – not immediately pre workout –

You could also try pinning it IM which will increase uptake and speed it works 🙂

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Im with kuba here – i have also done prolonged push both with myself and clients and they can be super effective.

The key is to not get to fat and make sure you monitor blood work and how you feel so you know when to back off and when to keep on pushing.

Im a fan of EQ but I also agree with Kuba if you have ran those other drugs and felt good then there isn’t a real cause to switch to it unless your wanting to control E2 better as I find it works much better than mast/primo – if not then there isn’t much of a need to switch.

Unless you simply want to try it and then go for it as you may end up being a fan – the fact it increases RBC etc for some is a huge benefit were as for others its. Huge negative

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yes it is 100% possible to do this.

In terms of food – I would have your kcal set initially at maintain amount and then add in some cardio – I would then have high days 1-2 times a week –

this is just a guide and will need tweaking as you go to get the right results – you may well be able to slowly increase kcal on training days as you go and keep growing and getting leaner

its just as J says a slower process

Thanks for the reply, sounds good to me! I’ve currently haven’t got any cardio in, what would you start with?

As for the high days, would you approach this by pushing carbs up around the days of my most demanding sessions? Something around 75g-125g increase? Thanks again [/quote]

5 sessions of 25 minutes at a total random / average amount to say – its impossible to be accurate here without knowing you and looking at the full picture so thats were I would start.

High days I would be adding in 150-200g carbs initially – on a back or leg day personally in this instance and asses over time.[/quote]

Thanks! This may be an odd question but what would you do if you don’t want your legs to grow anymore but you enjoy training legs? Drop volume right down or don’t have a dedicated leg day? I’m currently doing 12 sets of legs a week 6 hammy and 6 quads Push, Pull, Legs, Rest, Upper, Rest, Rest [/quote]
probs the oddest question I have ever seen on this forum haha.

Simply keep volume low and dont push to failure – maybe have food a tad lower on this day to

But who on earth doesn’t want there legs to grow lolol

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Thanks for all replys, ye my diet is good not really pushing kcals just at maintenance, but good clean food training has been good I’ve recently moved to a Yates type of split as I was doing upper lower and I just feel battered constantly, as I’m a construction worker aswel constantly lifting and average 11k steps in just working day, I have sore joints (not chronic) feel tired and basically beat up most of the time. I’m 35 been off Peds now for 7 years been toying with the idea of getting back on doing a 12 week course at 300 m test 200 primo and then dropping down to a 150mg test a week trt dose and run bloods to put me high 30 – 40 nmol from there on. My reason being is that I took Peds for prob 8 years before I stopped and with age and the use before could that be the issue of my tiredness and soreness and mayb trt would improve that. Why suffer if ther is no need and can still be healthy im thinking. Would appreciate your input on this cheers

I fully agree with your thinking here in all aspects and this defo makes sense to me.

With your job and reported issues – I would defo agree a low volume 4 day split makes alot of sense, potentially working in higher rep ranges to make sure overall load is less to may help or varying this week to week –

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Tuesday – Rest day and a rough day for sure.

Arilena still isn’t well and she woke at 4:30am so I got nothing done on wake like usual.

She has then been super cranky and clingy all day bless her so its really been about making sure she is ok and as happy as possible.

Currently a meal down – so im just going to add a shake to meal 5 and up the carbs which is easy to do with it being a rest day so not terrible stuff.

I also have felt like crap all day as maybe had 3-4 hours sleep with her being up through the night but such is life.

2moro is a high day and leg day – hoping I get more sleep and she doesn’t wake super early

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Over how long did you drop drop 2900 to 1800 and did you just drop right from 5000 to 2900?

how is performance In the gym.

If you want to be as lean as you can in 4 weeks then you just keep pushing mate in reality but you shouldn’t need to push food lower than this ti see drastic changes based in the muscle mass you have and how lean you want to be IMO

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Hello guys, just an update and one question. My coach cleaned up my diet more, added in rice, variety of meat not just egg whites and eggs, and upped my meal frequency from 3 to 5. He also upped my macros across the board. I feel even more hungry than before despite calories being higher, I’m assuming it’s due to the fact that I’m paying more attention to digestion with supplements/ no processed foods. Is this a good thing? I’m literally starving at night when I went from 2.6k average cal to 3k

what did your coach say when you asked him bud? Its this stuff you pay him for? You need to trust in him 100%

This all to me makes sense to me tho

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more or less everything is green bud meaning you are healthy – the odd thing out of range is barely out of range and not a concern IMO bar prolactin.

I would look to add in 200mg vitamin b6 p5p

test is mid natural range so not a bad place if your natural at the moment

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[Hilly]

yes it is 100% possible to do this.

In terms of food – I would have your kcal set initially at maintain amount and then add in some cardio – I would then have high days 1-2 times a week –

this is just a guide and will need tweaking as you go to get the right results – you may well be able to slowly increase kcal on training days as you go and keep growing and getting leaner

its just as J says a slower process

Thanks for the reply, sounds good to me! I’ve currently haven’t got any cardio in, what would you start with?

As for the high days, would you approach this by pushing carbs up around the days of my most demanding sessions? Something around 75g-125g increase? Thanks again [/quote]
5 sessions of 25 minutes at a total random / average amount to say – its impossible to be accurate here without knowing you and looking at the full picture so thats were I would start.

High days I would be adding in 150-200g carbs initially – on a back or leg day personally in this instance and asses over time.

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Your planning on running tren for the full 20 weeks at that dose? I personally wouldn’t and dont see the need to do so either – it will likely impact sleep etc and stuff you dont want that far out.

clen can be ran for 20 weeks and tapered up no issues – how often to taper and how high depends on progress and when you need to move it up. Impossible for us to say how to do it best here.

Personally for me I would do

200mg test,
200mg mast
200mg primo –

Check were your E2 is at weeks 5-6 – if you can I would then look to up the test a little – 200mg is a pretty low dose IMO but it depends were it puts your T levels on bloods.

you could also consider EQ if you aromatise alot as this will work super well here.

You could even have low dose NPP in during the initial phase of prep, Depending were body comp is and how much fat you have to loose but this works very well IMO.

then bringing tren in at 10-14 weeks out.

You could certainly have the tren in at 20 weeks out at a much lower dose if you wish – say 100mg alongside other stuff then taper up as needed.

there are so many ways to do this and it can be so person depending its hard to say what is best for some one.

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