[Hilly]

have you ran any bloods to see what is going on – this is your best bet

Im getting bloods this week. Last bloods were 6 weeks ago with no concerns, the doctor didn’t send me my results that’s just what he said. I do think it’s happened after increasing the NPP from 100 to 300. If that’s the case I have caber on hand. Would rather take some caber incase so it doesn’t get worse instead of waiting to get bloods to do something [/quote]
See caber would be the last thing i would want to add – its a very harsh drug indeed – think ive literally used it once in my life and never with clients.

I would prefer to get the bloods done and then make an accurate change to bring it down and bank the info so I no what to do for future cycles

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[Hilly]

“. No you would not stop test and start an AI – sure fire way for trouble. ‘“

Could you explain why’s that bud.

Cheers Peter appreciate all your answers here being pain in ass just got last one.

If AI needed which one does best job. I know some of them give rebound effect when you lower or stop them.

Cheers bro let’s work.

Well just think about it.

if you stop the test your test levels lower and then your E2 will lower – you then drop in a harsh drug like AI which will crash E2 down quite harsh when its already coming down and it will bottom it out and your left with low test and low E2 which basically means feeling like death

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Friday – Rest day

Cardio done – all meals in

ive literally worked from 6am till 6pm bar an hour to go and get my back laser done so been a long day but all is good.

Up early to train 2moro – work till 1 ish and then im off out with the boys for a bit

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Saturday – woke still feeling crappy but a tad better – have rested all day and focused on getting meals in.

Taking Arilena to halloween party tonight so needed to make sure I felt good for this.

some changes from AJ

Little more food on training days.

High days as is – lantus up to 40iu

2iu humalog in pre gym on normal training days.

Cycle now

900mg test

400mg EQ

400mg mast

Aromasin – once per week

GH – 4iu pre training only –

Hey Hilly, what’s the conversation happening around these multiple cycle fluctuations in the last few weeks?

Higher total mg, then dropped then back up.

Also more test now, is this from feedback your giving from feeling/estrogen? Just curious if there is rationale/discussion here or AJ is just changing things and you’re along for the ride. [/quote]
I am very much just along for the ride.

so initially it was 750 test with 300mg Eq and 300mg mast – then he wanted the Eq and mast up but my elbows and knees were sore –

Then we have gone to 900 test and he wants it to be 600 eq and 600 mast – however im pinning daily now with slin pins and until I get some higher dose Eq I cant do this in the 1.1ml I am shooting a day so have held it at 400/400.

Plus my knees/elbows still feel iffy so im not keen on putting that higher yet.

He also actually wants Aromasin in EOD but ive had this at just 12.5mcg twice a week as I feel my E2 is low and thats the issue.

I am going to check my bloods in 1-2 week – so will be 3 weeks on current dose and see were I am and feed that back.

As sometimes my knees literally hurt just walking about and thats not normal.

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have you ran any bloods to see what is going on – this is your best bet

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Philips one blade is very good.

I prefer to meet usually – using the pink one for sensitive skin lol

I find I can get my whole upper front done and legs out of one big tube –

Apply it

wait 8-9 minutes

Use exfoliating gloves in the shower and it all comes straight off

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[Hilly]

Cheers guys. Much appreciated, will be starting it next week. On my last test 750 mg cycle with no ai my oestrogen was low end of normal if that’s any help?

that makes 0 sense to me lol – what was your testosterone at?

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DHT primo – ratio – is super individual but potentially start with 2:1 test to primo and then asses via blood work

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No you would not stop test and start an AI – sure fire way for trouble.

You would look to adjust your dosing to reduce E2 –

How do I rotate sites – I simply move between – lats/delts/ventro glute personally 🙂

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Cardio done

Normal T day meal plan today

Trained delts / chest.

Cable Y raise – x15/15, x12f
Stand DB lateral – x10, x10, x8f, x16f
Cable rear delt – x8, x8f, x12f
Front raise – x12, x12, x10f
Shoulder press – x15, x15a this hurt my neck so stopped

1 arm cable lateral – 5 sets back to back – reps 6-10

Chest press – 6 hard work sets range 10-15

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Hello bud – yes that will certainly be the fast weight gain – your technically carrying an extra 22lb around with you on a day to day basis so the heart is having to work harder.

I would recommend taking TBJP love heart and vital support.

I would also recommend doing some HIT cardio 2-3 times a week and keeping fluid intake high – 5-6l per day

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So it looks like your HPTA axis has not recovered properly.

Did you do any bloods pre taking AAs to see were you were naturally?

You have 2 options –

Move to your next cycle and then run a proper PCT as specified in the sticky here –

re do the PCT properly and see what happens – I personally at your age would favour this option as I would be wanting to look at making sure I could recover this properly and if not then look at accepting this and what it entails.

Its very much a decision you need to make though bud as its your body and you are only young.

I got my bloods taken pre AAs, I will attach a picture to show the values pre aas.

WHen i got my bloods back my initial plan was similar to your option 1 Peter. This was I thinking: yes my values are out of range, but they are slowly recovering. I fucked up my last pct and i think that is why it is taking so long

I agree with you and Ryan that option 2 would be the safer option.

With option 1, Would the possible risk be that i will never get back to my natural levels?

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yes , there is always that risk bud for all of us

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Im with Kuba here.

i would either favour test/primo and NPP or test/mast/NPP for overall strength improvements – no real difference to a BB cycle.

Then As Kuba says – when your a competitive athlete looking to Max/push strength for comps orals and other funky stuff come into play or for specific strength training phases but in general these drugs will do the trick.

If you were mapping out a cycle and want a big push at the end then dropping in an oral like oxy or Dbol the last 4-6 weeks will certainly aid in maxing strength progress out –

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