[Hilly]

Yeh I would be adding 500kcal instantly to Each day from carbs and assessing from there but your likely going to need a lot more

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Facebook is rife with groups these days

That would be my go to if I was new tbh

Or make friends in the gym. Don’t just ask randoms. Be social

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[Hilly]

Friday. Check in day. 228lb. Down 9lb in 2 weeks

Cardio done. Double sessions today

All meals in

7 days more dieting AJ says so on we go

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[Hilly]

bit of a sticky situation and its not a country I have been to or no any one that has.

i would go to a private TRT clinic and talk to them personally if you are currently self medicating

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[Hilly]

have you taken your BG daily ? Is it the same every day?

Have you removed the GH to see if that is causing it as that us that the drug does in terms of mechanisms especially if taking pre bed – if this is the case then its not a concern the. Number is high if its just being caused by the GH IMO.

if its not that look to get TBJP insure and add 3 caps initially spread over the day and then asses and increase if needed.

Make sure your doing morning cardio now wake fasted.

Was 5.3 this morning. Growth wasn’t taken last night. I’ve taken my readings twice now.

Thanks mate appreciate it. [/quote]

if you have only taken the readings twice then you are massively jumping the gun.

Wake up an drink some water – take the BG 15 minutes later.

do this daily and then see how they trend over the week [/quote]

No worries thanks mate appreciate it.

I Woke up and had 2 glasses of water this morning before testing. Was 5.6, I had 5iu of growth pre bed [/quote]
next time dont take the Gh

if i took 5iu GH pre bed my morning BG would spike

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The biggest issue is people thinking about the WRONG things

You can genuinely pick any exercise , any volume etc BUT all that matters is your pushing your body weight up

Look at it like this :

You start lean

You go up a pound an half a week for 24 weeks

You pick literally only exercises you like

You do a volume that you enjoy , so you aren’t exhausted all the time because your doing SK much , or so low that it’s silly

That’s it, you do that, in 24 weeks you have gained 36 pounds total weight , at least half is muscle

People that are constantly obsessing over stuff aren’t even doing the most basic thing

…..

So honesty time , are you currently pushing your weight up?

Don’t just say yes if your not, own this situation and answer honestly

perfect answer and fully agree

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Depends how your rest days look – you may need more if you are super active at work and trying to recovery and stay full so you can train properly.

You may have a desk job and a softer body comp and looking to loose fat and need 1/2 the carbs.

impossible for us to say without any info bud – if you provide more we can help better

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i wold be looking at something like performance fuel from TBJP for carbs or sustain and then EAA for protein.

however Im not sure if these figures mean for the whole workout including the PWO window as I feel these are a little high.

I would be going with around 40-60g carbs and around 20-30g protein. – but very depending on muscle mass, how you train and also if your dieting or growing

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i havnt eaten chicken, rice and broccoli as a meal in potentially half a decade lol so there is no trinity for me.

I use alot of turkey, white fish, spinach, beef, sourdough.

I think the repetitive chicken/rice and broccoli went out a long time ago TBH

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What is your pwo meal ?

50 g carbs both pre and post, with 20 g cyclic dextrin and 10 g EAA intra

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Hi bud – what is the actual PWO meal[/quote]

60g rice (dry weight), 200g chicken breast (uncooked), half an avocado (around 10g fats).

[/quote]

Hmm this doesnt make much sense then /TBH.

Are you taking any GDA ?

Anything intra?[/quote]

20g cyclic dextrin with 10g EAA intra workout, not taking any GDAs.

[/quote]
I have had some additional thinking on this and it could very well be a long shot.

When we take GH we see a rise in BG – due to mechanisms of action – potentially the body is seeing the rise in BG alongside the PWO carbs and your in a lower BG environment from training before hand and thus producing additional insulin? Which may then cause you to drop low.

just thinking outside the box here as last night when I was thinking I do seem to remember a similar issue for myself a while ago

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Thursday – Cardio and abs done on wake.

busy work today today –

all meals in

Trained delts/chest and some triceps due to missed arms – all sets listed are work sets

Standing Db laterals – x 8, x 10F, x 21F
Incline bench rear DB – x 15, x 12F, x 10F
Machine press – x 8, x8, x 8 – nothing to failure here to prevent shoulder issues
cable front raises – x 15, x 12, x 10F
Cable side laterals – 4 x 6 – 10 seconds rest between sets never letting go of the cables.

Crucifix PD – x 12, x 12, x 8F
Tricep extension machine – x 10, x 10, x 9F plus partials

Seated chest press – 6 x 6 – last set failure – all with the same weight – all very hard sets – resting a little longer than usual between

Toe press – x 12, x 12, x 12F, x 11F, x 9F with a drop set

check in day 2moro

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usually this happens due to E2 climbing to high and then prolactin.

Post the bloods when they come and we can advise better

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[Hilly]

have you taken your BG daily ? Is it the same every day?

Have you removed the GH to see if that is causing it as that us that the drug does in terms of mechanisms especially if taking pre bed – if this is the case then its not a concern the. Number is high if its just being caused by the GH IMO.

if its not that look to get TBJP insure and add 3 caps initially spread over the day and then asses and increase if needed.

Make sure your doing morning cardio now wake fasted.

Was 5.3 this morning. Growth wasn’t taken last night. I’ve taken my readings twice now.

Thanks mate appreciate it. [/quote]
if you have only taken the readings twice then you are massively jumping the gun.

Wake up an drink some water – take the BG 15 minutes later.

do this daily and then see how they trend over the week

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[Hilly]

make sure you have the cereal PWO in my opinion with protein powder like TBJP performance whey or isolate.

Have the Greek Yogurt pre bed with some nut butter or dark choc or seeds.

spread the rest of the meals out

The nut butter is a great idea as fat source, but I usually have the greek yogurt with the cereal, and it’s a zero fat greek yogurt[/quote]
yogurt is a slow digesting protein tho and cereal a faster digesting carb – so it doesn’t make sense having them together in most situations hence my suggestion

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I would have no issues having a client do this for there first cycle – it will without a doubt be more productive Thant just 300mg test IMO.

The only reason I usually prefer people to do test only or at least start the cycle with only test is so I can get blood work done on say just 300mg test and gather the information of how they actually respond to test on its own for future cycle design.

Have you got pics and a reason why you think you actually ‘hold water and stuff’

Hi mate,

Tbh I think I just have a bit more fat to take off but this is the current shape at 94kg 5’10

I’ve jumped into the deep end the last few weeks going 250pro 0carb 78 fats so I’m looking and feeling as flat as a pancake that’s why I think I look a bit shit compared to when I was a bit heavier, vascularity has disappeared and so has the fullness but it’s part of the process I’ve been told 😂

Im not in no rush but I want to get growing asap as I’m hoping to compete before I’m out of juniors but I’ve got another 2 and a bit years until I’m too old

Thanks for the reply [/quote]

you look to have some very good muscle mass for age bud and a very good structure.

I would want you a chunk leaner before you looked to grow personally however there is no reason why you cant do that on the initial part of the cycle [/quote]

Thanks appreciate that

To be honest I’m just slowly dropping the weight until I am lean enough, I’m hoping that’s around the 87-88 mark but if it needs to be lower I’ll carry on lower

Cycle wise I’m really looking at using a full 24 weeks purely to grow and put on 40-50lbs. Do you think I’d be better doing that or actually using the first 4-8 weeks to cut down leaner and then the remaining 16 to push weight up?

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I personally would use the first 4-6 weeks to cut harder – you will get a recomp effect from the drugs also

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