[Hilly]

P5P for sure -caber would be a total last resort for me – think I have used it once in my entire life and maybe had 2 clients use it once total

Start at 150-200mg P5P and then Asess in 6 weeks

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[Hilly]

have you rested your hormones yet? Some people recover naturally over time so you may be totally fine – I would check via blood work ASAP.

If not and your still shut down then I would really recommend doing all you can to source the stuff needed for a proper PCT as covered in the sticky in this section

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personally I would drop kcal by 5-600 on Training days and 4-500 on rest days to start.

I would drop those fats down to around 70-80 and up the carbs.

I would not initially drop volume – just do so if and when performance starts to suffer – many many people have dieted on DC training with no issues so there is no real need to change away from this if you have had such good results.

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it sounds like you just dont react to this brand of gear which is reasonably common TBH

Have you tried a different brand

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As jordan says alot of the Chinese stuff lately has had very good reviews from all of us here and Many many people in general as well as some good testing done.

The issues are.

it tends to hold more water than Pharma stuff -some of it way more.

There can be alot of variance in batches – as there is no testing or regulation of the stuff obviously. So this is why some people say double the dose.

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it wont have any direct impact on more muscle growth IMO.

It will help you recover better.

it will help you stay leaner

Both of which will allow the cycle to be more productive

If adding 6-8ius would it promote more muscle growth than 3-4iu? Is it a big difference[/quote]
Anecdotally people would say yes but again how much of what you will see is actual muscle growth from the GH is debatable. Its potential benefit to muscle growth is cell proliferation – were it creates new cells that can grow and thus give a bigger/rounder look.

It then also as mentioned aids in other pathways than can support growth.

However it wont give you anything near what simply increasing AAS will IMO – and that is certainly cheaper however there is no real negatives to GH.

Even at 6iu daily I personally have seen no insulin resistance issues or running 8-9iu MWF

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Tuesday – No cardio done – I had a lie in with Arilena this morning which was nice.

We then went swimming in lloyds and an hour at the soft play there. This killed most of the morning and into lunch.

Arilena then napped while I managed to get a little work done.

We then went out to tea to a place that has a soft play in – so I must of done about 20k steps today lol im exhausted.

Missed a meal to annoyingly but going to double the protein portion up pre bed

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Monday -arms

Cardio done – 25 mins high incline

all meals in

Mobility / rehab work

seated incline DB curls – 4 x 10-12 reps – Failing on last set
EZ bar push downs – 4 x 12-15 reps – failing on last set
EZ bar cable curls – 3 x 8-10 reps – Failing on last set
OH rope extensions – 3 x 10-12 reps
Preacher machine curls – done first 5 reps 3 second neg and 3 sec pos – 3 x 8 reps – failing on last 2 sets
Tricep extension machine – As above – 3 x 8-10 reps failing on last exercise.

Rope cable curl SS rope extensions – 2 sets 15-20 reps

Job done

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I would not use the E2 lowering supplement during PCT but I would use the other 2 personally I dont see them causing any issues

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[Hilly]

it wont have any direct impact on more muscle growth IMO.

It will help you recover better.
it will help you stay leaner

Both of which will allow the cycle to be more productive

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IMO for the purpose of adding a low dose to TRT it really doesn’t matter that much.

my preference is Masteron as I find it increases free test levels somewhat and in most controls E2 well.

For me something like 200mg test and 100mg mast is perfect

But if you do 150-200 test, 100 prim, between a blast, does bloods come back fine after a while?[/quote]

Mine do

I can’t tell you if you’res will. They most likely will but you’ll have to run it to find out

Also make sure your taking the key supplement during cruise

Vital support

Heart care

Love heart

And imo omega pro [/quote]

Intresting. Ive just finished my contest prep and last show. Do you think i should go 150 test trt then new blast in 8-10 weeks if bloods come back fine or try 150-200 test + 100mg prim and see if it gives me a nice rebound? [/quote]
I would go 200 test and 100 primo for sure then do bloods at week 6-8 and all being well move to next cycle

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[Hilly]

IMO for the purpose of adding a low dose to TRT it really doesn’t matter that much.

my preference is Masteron as I find it increases free test levels somewhat and in most controls E2 well.

For me something like 200mg test and 100mg mast is perfect

But if you do 150-200 test, 100 prim, between a blast, does bloods come back fine after a while?[/quote]

Mine do

I can’t tell you if you’res will. They most likely will but you’ll have to run it to find out

Also make sure your taking the key supplement during cruise

Vital support

Heart care

Love heart

And imo omega pro [/quote]

Hi Hilly, why are these supps key in a cruise?[/quote]
because we build up toxicity during a cycle and we want to drop it ASAP during a cruise -so these supplements play a huge role here

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Sunday – Morning cardio done – 25 minutes High incline treadmill.

Trained chest/delts early this morning post meal 1 before I got Arilena and we had 2 kids parties to go to.

Seated side laterals – x 15/15/12F/8F with a drop set
1 arm Db laterals – 4 x 8 reps done with no rest between arms

Incline machine press – 5 sets off 6-8 reps with 1 minute rest – 8/8/8/8/6F
Seated machine press – x 15, x 12, x 12F, x 11F, x 6F with 2 drop sets
Pec dec – true 3 second negative and pause in end range – x8, x 8, x 8, x 7F
Chest focused dips – x 20, x 15F

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Saturday – back

Pull over – pyramid up in sets of 10. 5 sets total. Last 1 failure

Chest support row – upper back focus – 3 x 6-8. Failing last 2 sets. This ducked my grip for rest of workout on bad arm

Overhand pull down – 3 x 8-10. Fail last set

Prime row – 3 x 6. Narrow grip lat focus

1 arm row – 2 x 20

Smith BO row – 2 x 8-10. Just short failure

Annoyed with grip issue but that was my mistake changing exercise order.

Overall good workout

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