[Hilly]

This is very much a personal opinion bud

There is no way on earth I would let me Test level sit at 10 (which is average of a 60 year old male I believe) when I can healthy put it at the very top end or above with -0 impact on health.

just no chance – why on earth would I want to be sub optimal with low energy, low sex drive and potentially less muscle mass when I can be optimal or above optimal

However that is just my own opinion – I also am well versed on what being on TRT for life means and what it will entail.

Regular blood work to monitor bloods

Injecting myself for the rest of my life.

Needing additional health supplements to make sure my kidneys.cholesterol etc are all in good working order

I have a little girl so I have no intentions of any more and thus I will be on TRT or more for ever now :). Ive always known this and always been fine with the issues it may bring 🙂

Of course this will be person dependent, but when you save above range with zero negs, how above range are you talking?

I’m on 90mg/week. & feel okay. At 120mg/week I tested above range, I forget by how much I’ll check back, but I lowered as was thinking don’t want issues long term. But if I can push it up a touch & feel more ok & get more from it then I’m all for that![/quote]

That again is a personal choice and were your bloods put you and then what you see over time when getting scans on heart etc ideally.

in terms of my blood work – I can sit at double or triple the range with 0 impact to anything but HDL sitting at just below the range.

However I can do a full contest prep for 6-7 months and the only thing out of line was my ALT by 20 points (nothing of concern at all) and my HDL being low at 0.5 due to prep drugs.

So I am very different to most lol [/quote]

Lucky you! What heart scans have you had? Have you had arterial plaque checked?[/quote]
Just ECG at doctors and privately – No but I do want that check doing however there is no were remotely close to me that does it annoyingly – I would have to travel 4-5 hours in the car and have not got Around t it yet.

Something else to consider.

They put people on TRT for decades – the goal of TRT is to keep people normal so there will be no longer term studies of people sitting higher than. The range I imagine.

However why would we think just because we are at 50 and not 30 there would be any difference to health? If its safe to be at 30 why would it not be at 50? I have no medical answer for this of course and as we continue to say – We are all going to really differently

I imagine the range was created by using a huge bank of samples collected and looking at the average low to high numbers over time – then all work is focused on keeping people normal and studying health markers.

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[Hilly]

If i am reading this correct your showing a sperm count of 2.2million per ml which I low low for sure but by far not the worse I have seen – mine initially was well under a million.

Motility is not terrible

there are some higher percentages of shame abnormality.

How long post stopping drugs did you get the sperm test done.

How long between the bloods showing recovery and the sperm test done?

What you must remember is that the sperm maturation cycle is 8-10 weeks.

so if you were say shut down/on cycle until 1/1/2023 for example – and then your hormone system didn’t really recover until 1/3/2023 then you have not had the ability to produce/manufacture sperm correctly until the 1/3/2023 – so then this will get progressively better in theory as each cycle is carried out over time

So if you get a test done before 1/3 even tho you are 8 weeks off cycle it wont show anything positive

if you got it done 4-6 weeks post recovery it still potentially show much as your not even 1 cycle through.

Hopefully this makes sense.

I would not re start Pct IMO as your numbers are fine but adding in HMG would help somewhat but with these numbers scientifically it is not needed and it is 2 things.

Either you just need to be patient and give the body time to work

there is an ongoing issue either that has always been there or has been caused at some point.

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[Hilly]

This is very much a personal opinion bud

There is no way on earth I would let me Test level sit at 10 (which is average of a 60 year old male I believe) when I can healthy put it at the very top end or above with -0 impact on health.

just no chance – why on earth would I want to be sub optimal with low energy, low sex drive and potentially less muscle mass when I can be optimal or above optimal

However that is just my own opinion – I also am well versed on what being on TRT for life means and what it will entail.

Regular blood work to monitor bloods

Injecting myself for the rest of my life.

Needing additional health supplements to make sure my kidneys.cholesterol etc are all in good working order

I have a little girl so I have no intentions of any more and thus I will be on TRT or more for ever now :). Ive always known this and always been fine with the issues it may bring 🙂

Of course this will be person dependent, but when you save above range with zero negs, how above range are you talking?

I’m on 90mg/week. & feel okay. At 120mg/week I tested above range, I forget by how much I’ll check back, but I lowered as was thinking don’t want issues long term. But if I can push it up a touch & feel more ok & get more from it then I’m all for that![/quote]
That again is a personal choice and were your bloods put you and then what you see over time when getting scans on heart etc ideally.

in terms of my blood work – I can sit at double or triple the range with 0 impact to anything but HDL sitting at just below the range.

However I can do a full contest prep for 6-7 months and the only thing out of line was my ALT by 20 points (nothing of concern at all) and my HDL being low at 0.5 due to prep drugs.

So I am very different to most lol

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[Hilly]

This is very much a personal opinion bud

There is no way on earth I would let me Test level sit at 10 (which is average of a 60 year old male I believe) when I can healthy put it at the very top end or above with -0 impact on health.

just no chance – why on earth would I want to be sub optimal with low energy, low sex drive and potentially less muscle mass when I can be optimal or above optimal

However that is just my own opinion – I also am well versed on what being on TRT for life means and what it will entail.

Regular blood work to monitor bloods

Injecting myself for the rest of my life.

Needing additional health supplements to make sure my kidneys.cholesterol etc are all in good working order

I have a little girl so I have no intentions of any more and thus I will be on TRT or more for ever now :). Ive always known this and always been fine with the issues it may bring 🙂

Thanks for your reply Hilly.

I am with you completely and still on the fence. The bloods i had most recently was a test only blood test, in 4 weeks time i will test again , full blood works this time (this is what Leger clinic requires before seeking consultation)

And then i think i will speak to Leger and see what is what.

If you dont mind me asking – Do you use a private clinic for your TRT? [/quote]
No i do it myself 🙂

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[Hilly]

Yup, I also echo the above

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Tuesday – Weight 228-229lb – checked in with AJ and just waiting on his resonse.

Rest day today – changing the way my training schedule looks due to some personal stuff and time with Arilena and it will run this way for a while or it may change again.

So will be

Monday – shoulders/chest
Tuesday. -Rest
Wednesday – legs
Thurs – chest/shoulders
Friday – Rest
Sat back
Sun – Arms

I may have to move to Training 5 days on the bounce or reduce down to 4 days for some time but just got to play things by ear currently

No cardio done this morning as had Arilena –
Steps 10k
All rest day meals in

No issues to note

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[Hilly]

agree with the above also

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[Hilly]

This is very much a personal opinion bud

There is no way on earth I would let me Test level sit at 10 (which is average of a 60 year old male I believe) when I can healthy put it at the very top end or above with -0 impact on health.

just no chance – why on earth would I want to be sub optimal with low energy, low sex drive and potentially less muscle mass when I can be optimal or above optimal

However that is just my own opinion – I also am well versed on what being on TRT for life means and what it will entail.

Regular blood work to monitor bloods
Injecting myself for the rest of my life.
Needing additional health supplements to make sure my kidneys.cholesterol etc are all in good working order

I have a little girl so I have no intentions of any more and thus I will be on TRT or more for ever now :). Ive always known this and always been fine with the issues it may bring 🙂

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[Hilly]

Are these done in the UK – that eGFR is totally normal and good as far as I am aware and it is just a calculation of the Urea and creatine.

Im confused as to why your worried here to be honest.

You eat alot of protein so Urea is high.
you take creatine so creatinine is high plus the high protein diet.

Your eGFR is fine.

I see no issues at all personally –

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[Hilly]

Can you try reposting the pics again please

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[Hilly]

Im with jordan here – however some GH can make this worse than others due to extra water retention being caused.

So you could look to change brand – what are you using

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Monday – Straight back to it – weight 228lb – so not much dropped off over weekend thankfully

Cardio done – 25 minutes on stairs plus abs and rehab

Trained shoulders/chest in UF and a pretty decent session.

Seated lateral – (going to have to change this as its ruining my wrists – ) x 10, x10, x10, x 10F -0 all hard work sets – up in reps here
Rear delt pec dec – x 12, x 12, x 9F with a drop set
Seated primo shoulder press – x 16F, x 13F, x 11F – same weight – up in reps
Seated DB front raises – x 12, x 12, x 6F with partials
FST5 – seated DB – 5 sets of 8 with 10 seconds rest between – never letting going of DB

Decline chest press – x 15, x 12, x 10, x 8, x 4F – all heavy work sets
Chest press machine – 2 x 10-12F. – both with additional eccentric work to go to both positive and negative failure

Rest day 2moro as I have Arilena so I will be moving arms to Thursday –

Checking in with AJ 2moro and hopefully will be starting back on cycle lol

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sunday – Travelled home and rest day – meals were 80% on plan

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[Hilly]

Im with kuba here, if you have issues with sleep apnea etc due to weight you want this cycle to be as dry as possible so sticking with either primo/mast or a combination makes most sense.

We cant really tell you which is best as it very much depends on how you respond individually.

Personally I would go 400mg Test, 300mg primo – I would run this for 5-6 weeks – asses progress, weight gain etc and then makes moves from there.

I would also be getting bloods done at week 6 to see were my E2 was and potentially looking to keep this close to the range as possible to keep water weight down.

Not sure if it dare ask but what does matching carbs with lantus mean ?

Hey thanks for the reply! Definitely will check my E2 along the way and adjust my ratios if I have to. And I meant increasing lantus as my carbs go up, if they’re high enough considering novo pre/postwo as well. Or is that not a good idea?[/quote]

it is a good idea if needed –

what you have to think about first and foremost is why you are actually using the insulin – both lantus and fast – what are you trying to achieve.

Which is why I asked the question – As there is no fitting lantus to carb total for example – its about first deciding why your using it and then adjusting the dosing and approach based on that alongside body feedback.

Like any other drug 🙂[/quote]

Ah I see, thanks! I want to do lantus for it’s synergy with gh, then as my carbs go up increase it for better nutrient uptake. Same with novo – when my carbs are high enough implement them for better nutrient uptake around my training

[/quote]

so the question is

if your using it for enhanced nutrient intake and to work in synergy with the GH

And not to control BG

then why are you waiting for your carbs to hit a certain number – ? What sense is there in this if you can bring about these effects now ?

See my thought pattern/point here 🙂[/quote]

My reasoning was that I can only take a certain amount of insulin with my daily carb intake before my BG drops too much, so when I up my carbs I’ll be able to take more insulin. So basically taper up my insulin along with my carbs throughout the weeks :). start at perhaps 6iu lantus and work my way up. Would this be a good approach?

[/quote]
if this is the case then IMO you dont really need the lantus at all as your body is doing a fine job of shutting the carbs

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Saturday

Day at expo with the team which was great fun in terms of catching up but a terrible expo

Layout was awful
Turnout was poor

Such a shame.

However the show set up , stage n quality of athletes was fantastic

Hotel would not let me put meals in there fridge

So eating was off yesterday but such is life

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