[Hilly]

I am now 99% sure it is test. Showed the pics to a few pals and they confirmed it came from a bad batch. Luckily, the supplier agreed to give me free replacement

Loads of fakes here in the UAE… got to be careful

Yeh UAE is brutal for UGL fakes it seems

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[Hilly]

I haven’t been dieting for long, it’s only been 6 or 7 weeks, I believe. Right now, I’m weighing 99 to 98 kilograms with all the fatigue. When I deloaded 10 days ago, I weighed at 96.5. As for my calories, my training days are 2850 and my rest days are 2600. I haven’t had any cheat meals or refeeds whatsoever.

My fasted blood sugar is at 73, one hour post heavy carb meals, it’s about the same, which means perfect insulin sensitivity in my opinion. As for my muscles, I train them at 1.5 times a week, meaning I have upper lower where on one day I emphasize my pushing motions and the other my pulling motions, which ends up at about 10 to 12 sets to failure per week. Thing is, the past two weeks, my first sets have been going very well, but somewhere in the middle, my performance drops dramatically to like warm-up weights. Also, my coach hasn’t prepped any enhanced athletes like me and we’ve only been together for 6 weeks

The gear I’m using is 150 milligrams of testosterone, which is TRT for me, along with 350 milligrams of Masteron enanthate, along with 80 micrograms of clenbuterol daily. Yesterday I started using 200 milligrams of trenbolone enanthate, along with 40 milligrams of winstrol every day. I’m also using 4 IUs of GH.

I don’t like this set up either.

Sitting at Trt test makes no sense to me unless your some one that responds with super high E2 from anything more

Winstrol alongside this imo is going to hit joints hard.

This will all equate to how your feeling imo[/quote]

Yes I am one of those high aromatisers…. 67 e2 today on ultra sensitive.

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so why have you not gone with a compound that is going to guarantee more E2 control and reduction such as primo/eq or a touch of adex? This would make much more sense to me

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[Hilly]

Symptoms can play a role for sure, first I’d likely just do t4 alone.

Check your blood work and if your t3 is high or in range you don’t need it extra imo

I use t3/4 year round and my levels stay within range, plenty of benefits around it imo

Key is not using it for fat loss, t3/4 is NOT a fat loss tool, that’s where most end up losing tissue.

UPDATE:

I just got bloodwork, for reference I am the guy that also made a post about being in disagreement with my coach and the fact that I feel trashed cause of my output ( https://www.trainedbyjp.com/forums/topic/7-weeks-out-fatigue-weight-stall-cause-of-diet-but-mostly-training/) …. Anyway, my values came back as:

TSH 0.91 mIU/ML (ref range 0.35-4.94)

FT3 2.18 pg/ml (ref range 1.58-4.4) (was 3.9 some months ago)

FT4 0.90 ngr/dl (ref range 0.72-2.00)

Does this need any interference or should I leave as is?

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Well it doesn’t need interference as your still in range but your far from in the best place possible.

So it would be a smart move to optimise things and put yourself in the upper ranges imo for sure[/quote]

Unfortunately I am kind of dumb when it comes to thyroid, I get the basic functions like t4—>t3 and that hgh blunts t4 long term because of the conversion. ATM should I try to get t3 right away let’s say 25mcg or go through the route of getting some t4 and let my body convert it into t3?

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At 7 weeks out if I felt these thyroid numbers may well be linked to how you are feeling in the other thread then I would add in 25mcg t3 and 100mg t4 and re do bloods in 3 weeks

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7 weeks out fatigue, weight stall cause of diet but mostly training

[Hilly]

Monday – training day –

steps -16k
meals in – 6

training

Side lateral machine – x 8, x 8, x7F with a drop set
wide grip shoulder press machine – x 12, x 12, x 10F
standing DB fat grip laterals – x 12F with 2 drop sets
seated incline chest press machine – x 10, x 10, x 10, x 8F
pec dec – x 15f, x 12F
overhand wide grip pull down – x 8, x 8, x 7F
seated narrow grip lat focused row -x 6, x 6F, x 5F
narrow grip pull down – x 10, x 9F with a drop set

overall strength is decent, pumps are good and only issue continues to be these dam tricep tendons

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[Hilly]

I haven’t been dieting for long, it’s only been 6 or 7 weeks, I believe. Right now, I’m weighing 99 to 98 kilograms with all the fatigue. When I deloaded 10 days ago, I weighed at 96.5. As for my calories, my training days are 2850 and my rest days are 2600. I haven’t had any cheat meals or refeeds whatsoever.

My fasted blood sugar is at 73, one hour post heavy carb meals, it’s about the same, which means perfect insulin sensitivity in my opinion. As for my muscles, I train them at 1.5 times a week, meaning I have upper lower where on one day I emphasize my pushing motions and the other my pulling motions, which ends up at about 10 to 12 sets to failure per week. Thing is, the past two weeks, my first sets have been going very well, but somewhere in the middle, my performance drops dramatically to like warm-up weights. Also, my coach hasn’t prepped any enhanced athletes like me and we’ve only been together for 6 weeks

The gear I’m using is 150 milligrams of testosterone, which is TRT for me, along with 350 milligrams of Masteron enanthate, along with 80 micrograms of clenbuterol daily. Yesterday I started using 200 milligrams of trenbolone enanthate, along with 40 milligrams of winstrol every day. I’m also using 4 IUs of GH.

I don’t like this set up either.

Sitting at Trt test makes no sense to me unless your some one that responds with super high E2 from anything more

Winstrol alongside this imo is going to hit joints hard.

This will all equate to how your feeling imo

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[Hilly]

Symptoms can play a role for sure, first I’d likely just do t4 alone.

Check your blood work and if your t3 is high or in range you don’t need it extra imo

I use t3/4 year round and my levels stay within range, plenty of benefits around it imo

Key is not using it for fat loss, t3/4 is NOT a fat loss tool, that’s where most end up losing tissue.

UPDATE:

I just got bloodwork, for reference I am the guy that also made a post about being in disagreement with my coach and the fact that I feel trashed cause of my output ( https://www.trainedbyjp.com/forums/topic/7-weeks-out-fatigue-weight-stall-cause-of-diet-but-mostly-training/) …. Anyway, my values came back as:

TSH 0.91 mIU/ML (ref range 0.35-4.94)

FT3 2.18 pg/ml (ref range 1.58-4.4) (was 3.9 some months ago)

FT4 0.90 ngr/dl (ref range 0.72-2.00)

Does this need any interference or should I leave as is?

[/quote]
Well it doesn’t need interference as your still in range but your far from in the best place possible.

So it would be a smart move to optimise things and put yourself in the upper ranges imo for sure

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7 weeks out fatigue, weight stall cause of diet but mostly training

[Hilly]

Im presuming posing room pics are now and previous ones were start of prep?

you currently look in a very good spot and If all of this is going bad then I do agree there needs to be some pull back/feed situation occur for sure.

I dont particularly like the idea of moving to 1 rep in reserve etc and would rather keep intensity/effort as high as possible but reduce total volume and look to have feed up periods. This for me would work better as it keeps up total work intensity and stress placed on the muscle while increasing recovery ability etc but some would move to 1 RIR and have no issues with it. It’s just preference and approach.

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[Hilly]

you should follow your coaches advice 100% if you trust he will bring in the best version of you possible.

if you dont trust this then you need to find a coach you do trust 100%.

did you explain why he feels you dont need a refeed etc or to change training or did he just say no – its my way only end of discussion.

If he fully explained his reasoning and justification then this should of made you feel better and more confident about were you are at and why, put your mind at rest and increase confidence in what is going on.

if he just said no, its why way only and end off discussion then I would suggest potentially looking for a new coach if you feel what he is doing is going to hurt your end look.

I completely agree that some coaches have a set way of working and justification for all things so am not against his approach of – listen we are doing it this way as I am confident in what I do. However for me this should come with explanations and justifications of why he is doing it his way and explains things to you to help reduce stress/worry and relax your mind a little while increasing trust and knowing your feedback has been taken on board etc.

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[Hilly]

the thickness of the oil bares no relevance IMO.

However a 2kg watery gain defo indicates its test and not mast to me

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[Hilly]

I would be counting the carbs im having with the insulin and following 2-3 Hours during main active time.

so if I dose 20-30minutes pre gym im counting carbs pre/intra workout post slin use for example.

if your eating pre gym meal and dosing slin with that meal then I would be counting the carbs with that meal.

However you still want intra carbs there

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I fully agree also with the above and I dont like the term cheat meal at all.

you should schedule off plan meals in around social events – doesnt have to be a weekly thing per say and could simply be – when I socialise I allow myself to eat what I want. The remit I give clients is to remember we are always trying to provide our body with good quality nutrients and thus make sure what you eat is good quality food and eat until you are satisfied not stuffed

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[Hilly]

Sunday -rest day

5 meals in
12k steps

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[Hilly]

Saturday – training day

5 meals in
12k steps

training – good session – tendons touch better but still sore and thus no tricep training again

1 arm cable curl – x 10, x 10, x 11F
preacher machine – x 10, x 10, x 9F

lay ham curls -x 8, x8, x7F, x 11F
1 leg extensions – x 8, x 8, x 8f, x 13F
leg press – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 12F
1 leg leg press machine – x 15F

feel great in gym in terms of energy/pumps/strength – just these dam tendons still causing me grief

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with Clare here.

I also agree with trying melatonin. I find it very useful for those working shifts

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[Hilly]

There are lots of potential reasons

More drugs – increased glycogen storage etc
Post rest – back training / food up , glycogen storage up etc
Drugs are not what they should be.

No matter the reason I don’t find it normal your up 3kg from any of the above tbh but this may be how your body reacts. Have you seen these fluctuations before ?

Outside of understanding why the most important thing is you look better. So if making weight won’t be an issue then short term just keep focusing on the look and don’t obsess over the why as it could cause you to cause issues which you don’t need end of prep imo

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