[Hilly]

If all your RBC numbers are fine then it wouldn’t concern me.

Are these recently elevated compared to previous bloods ?

Have you taken testosterone before ?? Or is this first time.

I’m with Meg – I would like at a correction through normal methods first unless it’s causing issues.

Thicker blood
High BP
Feeling off etc

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[Hilly]

I fully agree with kuba here , it just seems to work a little better together and if the most specialist endo’s think that’s the best way I’m always following what they think.

Defo makes sense to use for some in off season for several reasons

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[Hilly]

Triz defo seems to be stronger than Reta but I think this is a bad thing personally.

It seems to just kill hunger in most. Can’t understand why any one wants this.

If you can’t control your hunger on reta I think there is an issue some were else n if can’t figure stuff out there is always going to be issues

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[Hilly]

They can be taken with or without food, alongside other supps.

X 2

I take all mine meal 1

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[Hilly]

It’s client depending.

If I have someone that needs to recomp or gets to fat usually or is a model / sport specific athlete then I’ll ride this progress out

If the client is all about muscle growth etc etc then I would still slightly bump food

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[Hilly]

Since we are here can anyone shoot out some starting points for gh dose and injection timing?

3-44iu daily pre bed starting point

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Honestly I’ve never heard of this.

I would just scratch it off as something not suited to you.

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[Hilly]

3-4iu pre workout would be the amount I used, any more I find makes me sleepy towards end of Session but this is different for all.

How you would pair it with insulin would depending on carb amount your currently consuming around training and if insulin was needed per se or justified.

in general tho one may start with 3-4iu fast acting insulin 30 minutes pre training and make sure your consuming 40-50g carbs already during the workout to cover this. You also will need to make sure you then have quicker digesting protein and carbs PWO.

another option is to simply take with your pre workout meal and then have intra carbs as above.

Also how long pre workout would you suggest taking the hgh[/quote]
I would be dosing 30 mins pre IM if I was dosing pre gym

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[Hilly]

Tuesday – rest day

5 meals in

Steps – 14k

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monday – weight 202lb – time to start tapering food up and move into this lean growth phase

5 meal in
steps 12k

trained delts/chest/back – tendons still sore but a little better once again. Different gym today so a adjusted session

Seated DB laterals – x 10, x 10, x 7F
Seated db front raise – x 10, x 10, x 9F
Db rear delts – x 15, x 12F
chest press – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 7F
Dips – x 12, x 12, x 9F
wide grip PD machine – x 10, x 10, x 6F
V grip row – x 10, x 10, x 8F
Seated upper back row – x 15F

adjusting AAS up now slowly

Test to 400mg split daily
Adex – 0.5mg MWF – E2 is already high and I want it to come down into range. See if this may be the cause of tendon issue
GH – 5iu pre bed
Mots C – 1mg on wake
Reta – 250mg MWF – 750mcg total
SLU – 600mcg on wake.

the goal here is a very slow and steady taper up in all areas as I keep focusing on fixing the tendon issue and keep body fat as close to were I am now as humanly/chemically possible

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with all the above.

Running any form of duiretic is not the move to make here.

Figuring out the cause and correcting it is

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[Hilly]

Honestly no one should need Reta in an offseason for food noise. That imo is a ridiculous thought. Post show / reverse yes but if your meal plan is designed correctly n your serous abt progress food noise should not be an issue.

However there could well be benefit to a very low dose Reta to maintain high insulin sensitivity yes. Jordan has been doing this and is / was very impressed.

I’m just abt to trial it myself and asses.

250mcg x 3 per week while I taper food / gh / drugs up

250mcg x 4 per week was ample to make big changes to my HBA1C so I’m going to see if this low dose can maintain it while food goes up

My pumps are still nuts with 1mg per week on 250mg test and 100g carbs daily so I don’t see any of the issues you mention being a concern for myself.

The only potential issue will be gastric transit as I already have a slow GIT

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[Hilly]

It can be super nasty the injectable coukd try going slow as you inject or like Ryan says the oral option is always very very good xxx

Is the oral version just as bio available?[/quote]
No its not, you will need to take more for the same effect

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[Hilly]

I take mine on wake, As above any were furthest away from training that suits your schedule is best.

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[Hilly]

As above injectable is defo what you need.

250-500mcg of each daily would be ideal. If I had a foot issue I would likely be going IM into that calf to be honest to get closer to the site

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