[Hilly]

Primo is a human grade drug , so the literature on it is more robust in terms

Of it being a healthier long term option, BUT I still use eq interchangeably with primo , when looking at the total ml of drug , as it’s fucking annoying pinning a lot . Just be mindful of hematrocit and as a result impacts on blood pressure with eq ( rarely an issue on 400mg)

Got you, thanks very much for that.

If I could throw one last question in here without being too much of a pain – would you say I can get the e2 lowering effects using 500mg test and 200mg primo / week

Or

Should I keep the ratio the same as with mast and use 250mg test 400mg primo / week

Based on the current e2 level I’m guessing the latter but the former would be a bit easier to split into two jabs per week (and a lot cheaper) so if you think it could fix the issue I can give it a blast and a re-test

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Agree wit Jordan on the above.

for most people 200mg primo wouldn’t control E2 on 500mg test – especially if they are E2 sensitive however 200mg EQ would likely work very well – just as J says be mindful of Blood levels.

You may find the acne issue was down to high E2 which is possible.

so bringing it down to a better range may help in this area but you wouldn’t know until you tried it.

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[Hilly]

its certainly possible but if your truly wanting to see how you react to certain compounds then potentially.

Test – 300mg, 450mg, 600mg, 750mg, 900mg – Escalate like this until you run into sides/issues or potentially your just super impressed.

Then pull test back to say 200mg – just about TRt and add in deca and drive this dose up – 200mg, 400mg, 600mg, potentially 800mg -See how you feel, any sides and if you find you get on better with 1 or other.

these are IMO the only 2 compounds you can do this with tho.

Eq would just drive E2 down to much with a lower test and wouldn’t work.

Tren would just be toxic and make you feel terrible.

Mast may work but IMO and IME would drive E2 low and you wouldn’t feel great.

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[Hilly]

yes, makes no difference bud dont stress it.

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[Hilly]

if your only at week 8 of the cycle I would run bloods and if all is ok then I would continue for another 4/6/8 weeks and maximise this growth phase before moving to a cruise/trt dose and looking to hold the new tissue with better composition before planning my next move.

Thanks Peter. If bloods ok, would you keep the dose the same at 300 test 200 mast? My current pics are on an identical post down the thread as my phone managed to upload it 3 times. [/quote]
yup no need to change, let the food do the job

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[Hilly]

Friday – Weight dipped down 212lb or just under so sat 10lb over stage weight.

Sleep was ok.

Cardio done in gym with abs – 30 minutes

All meals in but a little later than usual. Mad busy work day and then trained later than usual with 2 clients for in person check ins.

Session was not what I had planned but suited them and thats what counts.

Seated side delts – x 12, x 12, x 11F
Hoist narrow grip press – x 8, x 8, x 9F, x 14F
Incline machine press – x 15, x 15, x 11F, Back off with a dead stop – x 15F
Shoulder press with a dead stop – x 8, x8, x 7F
Decline chest press – 3 sets of 6 with 8 second rest between sets – got all 3 sets so did a fourth failing at 4 reps
Seated side lateral machine – x 20F, x 18F

Was meant to be more Delt focused for me but was even mixture which is fine as both need the attenton.

Was great to train and chat with clients – then run through posing.

On we go

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[Hilly]

I would add in nolvadex at 20mg daily from now then get blood work done to asses what is causing the issue for future reference so you can better design the cycle.

Are you in a growth phase? Has body fat trended up over the 10 weeks as the more body fat we have the more we accumulate?

Have you been changing jab days? This can also cause a hormone spike

I always have the injection on either the Saturday or the Sunday but it’s not the same every week. Unsure if this is worth mentioning ?

I’ve approached the cycle as if I were cutting but truth be told I’ve not been anywhere near as strict as I should have been. I started the cycle with hopes of dropping body fat but maintaining what muscle I have. I’ve managed to put on muscle and strength has increased significantly but body fat is just fluctuating around about the same baseline of 20%.

Last time I got my body fat measured there was a passing comment about how I am lean in areas such as the back of my calf but carrying a lot of weight on my abdomen/pecs which is unusual. I’ve always had excess weight on my pectoral area from being over weight young. I am unsure if there’s been something at play causing me to hold so much weight on my abdomen/pectoral area or if this is just down to poor genetics. The last time I got my body fat low enough to see abs I still looked as though I had a lot of fat on my pecs. Could it be I’ve always had some form of gyno Estrogen problem I’ve been unaware of ? My bloods came back all within healthy ranges prior to starting the cycle. That being said the blood had sat in the post for two days and they wouldn’t let me send new blood in so it could have been coagulated. [/quote]
I would get bloods done again to see if E2 has spiked high so you know the cause and how to address it in future with cycle design.

I would also split your dose monday and Thursday or ideally MWF in the future for better hormonal profile

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[Hilly]

Leaner , come down until your food focus becomes high , don’t rush, go slow and steady

Fully agree here

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[Hilly]

It’s good !

Can see them now – i would defo push up from here for sure.

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[Hilly]

if your only at week 8 of the cycle I would run bloods and if all is ok then I would continue for another 4/6/8 weeks and maximise this growth phase before moving to a cruise/trt dose and looking to hold the new tissue with better composition before planning my next move.

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[Hilly]

it depends what you class as decent muscle growth.

Considering 125-150mg puts most people just top end of natural range or maybe a nudge over your going to see decent muscle growth compared to some one at the bottom of a natural range but in general your not going to notice that your really taking anything as you simply making yourself natural or just over – this is obviously person depending.

if your naturally sat at 8 test level and the range is 8-28 and 150mg puts you at 48 then your going to see dam decent progress if all is on point in comparison to when you were at 8.

Now if naturally your at 26 ticking all the boxes and 150mg puts you at 36 then your rate of change is not going to be decent in most peoples opinions.

Then you have to consider.

if your going to shit yourself down and risk infection from an injection week to week why on gods earth would you only put yourself just above natural and why would you just want decent when you can get super ? If I can go to 300mg or 450mg and see no negative impact on health as if I was at 150mg then im certainly going to want to work up to 300-400mg – it wold be foolish not to IMO but the devil is in the fact thats just my opinion.

The other fact is when all is said and done and your ticking every box more drugs and using more anabolic drugs does simply equate to more muscle over time – thats just the way it is so again personal opinion of – are you happy with what 150-200mg is giving you, are you happier with 3-400mg or now do you want even more.

as you can see its a question with no answer just your own opinion and others 🙂

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[Hilly]

Thursday – post hig day up to 214.5lb – up 3-4lb

Rest days currently suck as they are the same as they were on prep –

Cardio was a 35 minute walk with my weighted vest on – I am doing this 2-3 times a week when not doing cardio int he gym – idea here is to keep HR up and also get the body adapted to increase in weight before the increase in weight comes – I was using it a little during prep and will keep this in during this phase and off season.

Meal plan –

350g egg whites and 1 whole egg with 50g oats.
80g TBJP vegan whey
250g cooked white fish with 100g cooked jasmine rice
250g cooked Léan beef and 100g cooked jasmine rice
250g cooked white fish and 100g cooked jasmine rice
80g TBJP vegan whey and 10g nut butter

So brutal. – no other way to describe it ha

on we go

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[Hilly]

this is all food and output dictated.

you simply need to make sur the surplus is on the lower side and be more patient, accurate with meal plan/macros and adherence.

The negative to this is that it may limit muscle building somewhat as you dont know exactly were that perfect surplus is for ultimate muscle growth and minimum fat gain.

so you either over shoot potentially in the hope you get every gram of muscle growth possible and accept a little fat

Or you potentially under shoot and risk not adding every gram of muscle that you could of but stay leaner.

very person to person depending

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[Hilly]

How does this rebound look in comparison to your previous gaining phases? Do you think you’ll push things hard for this upcoming bulk from a food and drugs perspective?

Will you run the rebound for long?

Im using more drugs than i would run these days in a rebound – my own approach is to keep things on the lower side for the first 6 week – let just the food and back off do the work and then keep progressing into a cycle.

Were as AJ favours a rebound set up – which was always very popular in the passed and something every one did – so will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Its not that I disagree with it – I know fine well there benefits – I just personally find getting it right with lower doses (not a cruise) means there is no need for that pull back/low dose period post rebound and you can just keep going and going so to speak.

I have told Aj I am all in to push as aggressive as he sees fit.

He is super focused on staying tight and lean and that is what we are achieving as you will see from todays check in pics [/quote]

Can see you making some mad improvements bud![/quote]
The whole key is to make sure body comp stays as favourable as possible for me and I know Aj is a big fan of this to at this stage – alot of our thinking is always. Very much in line and I new this hence he being the only person in the world I wanted to work with – literally lol

I know he likes to do funky stuff with supplements and push a little hear which I do to and keeps me amused

Hes huge on digestive health as I am

He likes to train with more volume and lots of intensity stuff – Something I like to do also – not as often/all the time but I do love it

Hes big on staying leaner – something I have always slipped on.

So im hoping to see some big changes both now and moving forward this whole year.

The other key factor is now I have Arilena my life is totally different and I socialise a handful of times a year compared to a handful of times a month lol

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[Hilly]

I would add in nolvadex at 20mg daily from now then get blood work done to asses what is causing the issue for future reference so you can better design the cycle.

Are you in a growth phase? Has body fat trended up over the 10 weeks as the more body fat we have the more we accumulate?

Have you been changing jab days? This can also cause a hormone spike

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[Hilly]

I would take steps to 6k and make 3k of this a fasted morning power walk/incline walk.

I would deduct 300kcal from both days in the form of carbs.

Then re asses over 7 days

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